Monk Macros with Proper Rotation!

[Legion88]

I created this video to help new players and veterans alike on macros I created with a rotation guide. I apologize the for the Audio but I have notes into my main 3 macros that I use and I hope it helps others. If you have have any comments on the information I have made on the video, I humble ask you to test the macros yourself and do a honest comparison before throw my information out of hand. I hope it helps others!

Sorry to blow up your little bubble but macros are the worst you can do for several reasons like:
-macros have no queueing (DPS loss from delays)
-less control when to use your CDs (DPS loss in general but problematic in fights with DPS checks)
-you are using complete useless CDs in your macro who delays the skills even further

Also CD spam:
- You use useless CDs who have just use in specific situations or never
- Your usefull CDs will wear off early if not in the right order (DPS loss)
- With GL3 you only can weave in 1 oGCD between 2 GCDs or you will clip into your next GCD window and delay your next GCD even further (DPS loss)

There is a very excellent guide out there: Monk guide
Also there are some usefull spreadsheets out there which will show you a proper rotation with opener, which you didn't use and can't use with the delays from the macros: Monk rotation with opener

[ananda]

Honestly, compared to people who doesn't even know how to do the proper rotations (either don't bother learning them, or can't put in enough time to practice them), this macro is probably a step up. I haven't personally tested this, but I imagine losing a GCD every 10 is not going to make him the worst player you will encounter in df. He is not going to be "good", but I'm sure it will be adequate enough for most (but not all) content.

The skill bloat is something that SE has acknowledged to be a problem that they will address in the future. If by using this, someone who doesn't have a lot of time or just want to play the game leisurely can improve their overall dps (because learning the proper rotation is easier when there are much fewer buttons to press), I don't see the harm. This does more or less precludes them from improving further if they want to start tackling more serious content in the future, unless they relearn everything from scratch again. In other words, this is not really a training wheel into the proper way of dpsing, so that's the downside. But if they are sure that they are never going to do those harder contents...why not?

Having said that, I do think the OP should put a large disclaimer that this is not the optimal way to play, in the first post and in his video.

[Israacf]

This topic triggers me to the next level.

[madolyn]

You're trying to convince a community of players, where most of us have been playing since 1.0 or 2.0 and have raided, that macroing your skills is an appropriate way to do competitive dps. The community is telling you that after substantial testing, trial and error, and extensive research over 3+ years shows that your method is wrong and not a competitive or appropriate way to play. Simple as that yet you refuse to accept that and still push your video believing everyone to be wrong or assuming they have not watched your video. I watched your video and I am telling you that you are wrong. Sorry, that is just the way it is.

[Mugiawara]

I don't know much about Macro's and Optimal DPS and all but I have to say this to OP.
I was about to say for people to chill a bit because I thought you were new, until you said 'What makes you think this is my first account?'
Well firstly, you're posing really bad information as people are responding too.
Then secondly everyone here has pretty much told you you were wrong and you're telling us how to maximize
damage at when your first begun this post, was level 52...Instead of taking everyone's advice, you actively beat people down and the nicest one person to critique you was Kitfox
and you pretty much tell her off. People main these DPS and do savage content
so they aren't trying to be buttheads but trying to help you.
Try and learn from others advice and stop TRYING to play poorly and grow.

TLDR for people reading this: DO NOT USE MACROS IF YOU WANT TO BETTER YOUR DMG.

[Frowny]

You should only macro, as a DPS, Flaming arrow and the like to skip the targeting (unless you want to pre-cast, then do it manually).

The key difference you're not getting is "can" is VERY different from "should". You CAN macro a rotation, but SHOULDN'T. At 52 you should know sometimes fights throw a curve ball at you. Normally, this means maybe missing a GCD. If you use a macro though, you may end up missing many more and not know where you're at. Not to mention sometimes, you DON'T want to activate a buff. If you mistime it and the boss disappears, you're wasting the buff. You only get this fine control by doing things manually.

This is where practicing comes into play. Things become second nature. And think about it... if these worked so well, why don't we see them posted instead of rotations?

[Praesul]

The burden of proof is on you my friend. If you claim something, you have to back it up with evidence. People can't refute something that hasn't even been proven in the first place. You keep saying "competitive", but there's nothing in your video to show this.

The macros work in that they function, they will use abilities in a sequence as they're designed to do, but they don't do it optimally and they never will because that's the nature of macros in this game. You really want to prove the macros work and grant you good DPS? Run some numbers and compare them to what other people get. Until that point, based on what the community knows about macros, we know that it's a DPS loss to use them.

[WeekendSoja]

I'd just like to point out that you were actually provided with perfect side-by-side video comparison by another poster. Maybe you overlooked it: https://youtu.be/czzLF4IfFaM?t=255
The difference is very visible between the two sides. Using macros has a compounding delay effect that leads to flat 5-10% dps loss depending on your latency and button mashing compared to queueing GCDs normally.

He doesn't need to prove anything, KitFox was nice enough to place an anchor on the youtube video submitted on like...page one? At the end of the video the user does a side by side comparison of macro use and non-macro use. Seems you fall behind in execution after the first gcd?

[TheRealMadruck]

There is a Video I created to demonstrate a side by side comparison of doing a simple rotation for Monk using a macro compared to no macros: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIh6eGFrxFs I will admit that the more line items you add to your macro does add to the overall decrease of dps over time. But using a simple macro as seen in my videos clearly shows that the dps you lose in comparison is as I said.....competitive. I already know that no matter the amount of information or prove that I provide will be enough to show validity to my information based on comments that my comparison was not the full rotation or that the dps shown was not accurate based on the method obtained, the bottomline is not that it is my 15 dollars and I will play the way I want to play. It boils down to trying to help new players and others use a built in system into FF14 that should be utilized if one does choose. I thank everyone on the feedback and as always I hope my information is useful to the those few that choose to use it!

[Kitfox]

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By now I'm sure you won't change your mind but here's a few thoughts:
-Did you account for crit variance between your two DPS numbers?
-Did you also test this outside housing areas? Housing areas process battle information faster than normal areas and instances which means faster activation of all abilities, including macros. (probably because there's a lot less fighting going on in those zones)
-By not using a proper rotation the compounded DPS loss is less visible, because using your strongest abilities and buffs will multiply the loss. Just because you acknowledge you'll get criticized for this doesn't make the point less valid.

Considering those points will most likely turn the 2% difference closer to 5% or more. You also seem to have fairly low latency, someone less fortunate is going to suffer more from the lack of macro queueing.

Here's the big picture about helping new players, though. Like you say, you can only do this on MNK because their combos run on buffs instead of the normal combo system. Why would you learn this system for one class when you can not use it on any other? Why accept a dps loss that can be avoided? Why accept the lack of buff/oGCD control? This doesn't really help new players, it gives them a crutch system that hinders their growth as a player. In my opinion, it's much better to teach new players good keybinding practices that will allow them to:
-use up to 48 hotbar slots effectively in all situations
-use the same system on all classes, cutting down learning time and improving muscle memory
-avoid the pitfalls of macros (no ability queueing, lack of control, dps losses)

If you're really trying to help new players, I'm sure you can see which system is universally more versatile and effective.

For anyone who actually wants to avoid macros, here's a decent keybinding guide to get you started: https://taugrim.com/2011/04/07/guide...d-keybindings/