If you're gonna ask how a fight works, why not just look it up first?

[Annah]

I always watch the video first. Always.

I know some people say "well, i want it to be a surprise".....well, if you truly want it to be a surprise you wouldn't be asking how the dungeon goes down

My personal opinion is this:

Invest four minutes out of your life to at least get a hint at what the dungeon is all about. It doesn't take that much time out of your busy gaming schedule.

With that said if someone really needs to know the fight, I will never put them down and I will be more than happy to explain it all to them. I would rather someone asking for help rather than running in.

Asking questions should never, ever, be met with resistance. I do want to put that out there.

I am merely stating that I personally always watch the videos first. But I'll be more than happy if someone asks for assistance in game

[caelumsixsmith]

In my case, I learn far better if someone gives me a summary of what's going down. This isn't even necessary for most fights anyway, just some have tricky mechanics for a first timer, even if they read a guide. But I do agree that it's nice to go into at least raids with a notion of what's going to happen. I made that effort for my first run of LotA and although I did make some mistakes, no one had to stop and lecture me on how to proceed. Just that the little hints are necessary for some people, cuz not all of us can understand what's going on by just reading a guide.

[Shurrikhan]

There's "First time here, and I'd like to go in blind; is there anything here shockingly different from normal no one would normally be able to guess, in ~40 words or less?" and there's asking for a full guide. The second inconveniences the group in order to get a information nonetheless inferior to almost any online guide. In the case of Sophia Ex — "stack for gnosis as usual, but avoid the head lazers from when it appears around the room; tethered adds will later cast (on "Execute") the spell that was cast while they were tethered; for scales, run from blue, to far edge if an even total of lines, closer if odd." If you can't do the fight off those brief tips, it's mostly going to come down to practice and/or imperfect acquisition, the combination of the two making it impossible to really spoil a fight for yourself by skimming a guide or video for the same effect.

[Violyre]

I can't learn from videos at all. Most of the time, they seem to make little sense to me. "Watch out for [mechanic]" not matching the video for said mechanic. I need to see something to know what it is. And the best way is by just doing it. I don't want to go in blind, I have to go in blind.

And people like the OP are the reason why I hesitate doing new dungeons when they come out, and refuse to attempt Extreme/Savage modes on my own. Even normal mode optional primals like Sophia, I'm too nervous to do it unless I'm with people who are understanding.

[Seoulstar]

You should not expect everyone to do things exactly like you do. If they don't look up a guide, ok. It won't kill you to give a little run down of the fight. But that is just my personal opinion. It appears spending a minute or two explaining something is way too much for some people that unfortunately play this game.

[Clethoria]

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As someone who has been enjoying this game blind, it does nothing but irk me when someone has to be "that guy" when I don't know something. It's turned me off completely from dungeoning with strangers and I feel like I've been forced to have a healer friend at my side every time I do something new. At least that way I'm guaranteed to be able to take 15-50 seconds to have a mechanic explained to me while the DPS cries/dies in a corner. I refuse to listen to some nasally, try hard, for some reason often British guy go on about an entire instance while my ears bleed because I'm not paying to watch someone else play the game.

"B-but you're playing with other people!" Someone will cry.

Yeah- and you're playing with other people too. Not your tight knit circle of friends who've been practicing since launch.

Now if the guides where 100% like this then I'd gladly spoil myself.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shegN8em8eA

[Frowny]

You should not expect everyone to do things exactly like you do. If they don't look up a guide, ok. It won't kill you to give a little run down of the fight. But that is just my personal opinion. It appears spending a minute or two explaining something is way too much for some people that unfortunately play this game.

Again, difference between elaborating on certain things and needing to explain every detail (the latter is what I see when someone needs to be told what's up). The former is fine as some things just need to be seen, the latter is not. That person's time isn't more valuable than the rest of the party's so all we ask is to consult even a very rough guide.

To Clethoria, tanking is maybe the exception as most fights are easy for a DPS. Tanks usually have more to worry about.

[McSassyPants]

In my boat it's mostly a "What would be more fun? Looking this up or just running it?" and "Who am I running this with? Friends or strangers?"

Then again, I also run it with my group of friends and we all go in there with rather epic failure- it leads to a lot of good laughs.

[Gemina]

In my boat it's mostly a "What would be more fun? Looking this up or just running it?" and "Who am I running this with? Friends or strangers?"

Then again, I also run it with my group of friends and we all go in there with rather epic failure- it leads to a lot of good laughs.

This is a great example of the other night, and to this thread. Myself and two other guild mates were new to Chrysalis, but there were seven of us in total, so we still queued in DF and picked up one random (bet he loved the comms). Anywho, the three of us admitted to not watching any guides as we did not want spoilers, and like a lot of posters here, they said absolutely nothing because they wanted us to experience it blind..... and wipe, lol! We all saw these mysterious orbs bee-lining towards the boss, yet we did nothing and continued to burn the boss because hey, "It's story mode. Sooo roflstomp, right?"

Anywho, afterwards, they explained the mechanic and it was a non-issue the next round, but they sure got a kick out of it.

Fast forward through cutscenes and the guild's lead tank asks if anyone wants to do Ultima EX. Again, myself and two others have not done it. Again, we explain we have not seen or read any guides. We decide to do this one unsynced just the seven of us, and they let us experience this one blind as well. Having come from the last encounter and seeing how I needed to pick up the orbs, these mysterious orbs appear for this fight as well that were not present in the NM encounter, and are bee-lining towards the boss! I eat one not knowing the damage is split up and go from full health to zero in an instant. As a SCH who should have her head in the books, this was quite embarrassing. But epic fails are indeed hilarious the majority of the time.

So these two instances were reminders of why I DO like to at least look at a written guide if I know the stakes are high, and if doing things via PUG. But with a group of friends and guild mates, I am ok with going in blind because well, not only is it more fun and I know I am not going to be heal-shamed for the derps, the frat boys also get a huge kick out of it as well. Jerks!

[Alleo]

I think the OP was more about those cases that go into a fight and expect the others to tell him every little detail. And here I agree with him. If you want so much details for the bosses than maybe its better to just look it up yourself. If its not a complete new fight than there should be enough guides out there, as a video or as a text. Its probably no problem if you missed something or did not understand a mechanic and ask about it, but wanting every little step explained is way too much. If I explain things I will only tell about the most important ones, all the other mechanics like AOE should be already known by the players.

My main language is German, but most of the time I either get French or English speaking players as randoms. I still try to explain it in English but skills/attacks from bosses have different names in each language. So its not always easy to do so. I also dont think that you need that much explanations in normal dungeon runs. And if you are doing the newest ex primal than its probably better to at least look up most of it. You will only get better in the fight by doing it, but I can understand people that get annoyed by having to explain these things to every new training/down group.

I think this is something that both sides should respect. If you go into hard content, at least look it up a little to make it easier for the rest of the group, but at the same time the other people should just accept that you cant just remember everything even if you watched a guide, so maybe some sentences with the most important informations should be posted. But going into such a thing and expecting everyone else to explain every little detail of the fight is imo as bad as expecting people to remember every little detail. Both sides should be helpful in the situation.

That are my two cents.