The New Chat Restriction in The Feast

[Ama_Hamada]

Greetings, adventurers.

Thank you for all of the feedback you have provided in regards to the chat restrictions in The Feast. Please rest assured that we have been sharing your thoughts with the development team and willcontinue to do so.

At this time, the team is planning on making improvements to the quick chat feature to improve communication. If you have any suggestions for improvements to this feature, including additions of phrases such as "Please recover MP," be sure to let us know!

remove it, you cant fit enough chat actions to fit on our bar. We need to get across the following:
We have 8 dps, someone needs to change to a tank.
In the game I tried to get across by targeting someone that has it to 60 by right click party chat and hitting "attacking tank"
Bursting/ on target xxx
LB on target xxx
sleep xxx
stun xxx
Kill x , he has the most medels
"here in feast you can't get away with playing some mind games you can get away with in frontline. People will burst you. You have to look for signs for burst. You cant just spam x, you need to be on the move and move beind walls wisely. There are buff creates that appear during the match."

We can't coordinate getting the side buffs and going below, going on the bottom is a death trap, or allows tanks get a free buff.

This resisted chat does not prevent toxicity!!!! this is the MAJOR point you are all missing. There is toxicity though action, trading wins is still a thing, there is toxicity in PvE I do not see you censoring that, why single out PvP feast? What about someone dying and spaming "good job" are you going to censor that? this chat removal does NOTHING to stop toxicity and only harms those that wants to use it as a tool for strategy.

If you guys think no chat in feast is a good idea then you need to be FAIR and prevent toxicity ALL DF and remove chat for all PvE as well as PVP. You just do not want to because PvE has a bigger playbase and will lash out at the idea like we are.

I'll give a more seriously reply now though.
A good improvement to the system would be to make it a punishment. Make a quick report like RMT trading. "Report -> Harassment". If a player gets enough of these reports, that player should not be able to chat in any content until a GM reviews their behavior. Either they will get unbanned from chat because people were abusing the feature, or these players can be met with a temp/permanent ban later.

If SE stands by the decision to remove chat in a competitive, ranked game mode, I would rather them just disable rankings all together. The feast being "ranked" right now is a joke.

this, make systems that actually solve the problem, not punish people that wants to use the tools properly.

[RoseOfTheRaven]

- Diadem
- Lords of Verminion
- Literally every relic step

They came out with those before people gave feedback, people didn't request something they didn't know was going to be an option. Also there are plenty of people who like those. Not to mention, they are remaking Diadem because of feedback.
This chat block was requested after the fact. There's a big difference.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Do you really think that they would even impose this feature if so little people had wanted it in the first place?

Have you forgotten what even started this thread? Far more people have spoken out against this than for it. If the opposite were true, the responses following this would be a lot more supportive and favorable, wouldn't you agree?

As for the idea of "Now we just have to deal." No. No we don't have to just deal with anything. If that were so true, we'd all be playing 1.0 still. Accept it as something you can control if you like, but that's how you give up your power to affect change.

This is exactly what casual and new pvpers want. They don't want top tier players to communicate, they don't want them playing, they don't want anyone to tell them they suck or to tell them how to improve. So they get behind this in the hopes that they can faceroll themselves into pvp rewards while complaining about it not being fair that these exclusives exist.

Thing is, top players do communicate beyond what's simply offered. Always have, always will. The idea of trying to stop good players from communicating is self defeating both in that they will find a means to do so on their own, and they will not go out of their way to do so with casual players. New people lose out either way; with no experience to fall back upon or consult (unless they actively seek it out beyond the game itself), and cannot make effective calls in the moment besides. Another important point to consider is that SE themselves once said they would not offer native voice chat because they didn't want players to feel obligated to use it (and this itself is already an often debated issue even with PvE content), but this chat restriction has effectively forced people who want to play well to use it. Granted, most wouldn't be against using it anyways, as I said before, but what was once an option is now practically a necessity.

[Februs]

This chat block was requested after the fact. There's a big difference.

Actually ... no.

To my knowledge, the chat restriction was never requested by anyone. There was never a thread about it in the forums. It has never come up in any of the live letters or Q&A's. There was no petition for it, and SE never once asked us about feedback concerning chat. They never even mentioned this as a PvP issue before suddenly deciding to block it. Quite frankly, even toxicity within PvP was rarely discussed by SE themselves. There have been a few threads about it here in the forums, but SE has never officially responded to any of them (at least not in the English ones). This was, quite literally, a decision that they came to all on their own without any player input, feedback, or even an open highway of communication, least of all with the true PvP'ers who have been here since long before the garo event bandwagon started up.

[Cabalabob]

Greetings, adventurers.

Thank you for all of the feedback you have provided in regards to the chat restrictions in The Feast. Please rest assured that we have been sharing your thoughts with the development team and will continue to do so.

At this time, the team is planning on making improvements to the quick chat feature to improve communication. If you have any suggestions for improvements to this feature, including additions of phrases such as "Please recover MP," be sure to let us know!

Change it so it doesn't take up hotbar space!!! Make a PVP section in auto translate and disable all chat except auto translate phrases from the pvp section instead.

Make it so if you use the same chat more than 3 times in 5 seconds you get locked out of chat for 30 seconds.

As for suggestions for chat options "follow marks!".

[DrittCestin]

Greetings, adventurers.

Thank you for all of the feedback you have provided in regards to the chat restrictions in The Feast. Please rest assured that we have been sharing your thoughts with the development team and will continue to do so.

At this time, the team is planning on making improvements to the quick chat feature to improve communication. If you have any suggestions for improvements to this feature, including additions of phrases such as "Please recover MP," be sure to let us know!

We greatly appreciate you taking time to consider our suggestions about the newly implemented quick chat feature in feast. However, no matter how much you add to the quick chat feature, it will never be able to replace being able to actually communicate. The competitive integrity of ranked matches in feast is completely negated when you are not able to communicate strategies in game with your team. I understand that there was some issues with flaming and harassment, but completely removing the chat feature is not a solution to that issue. Anyone that would normally harass a teammate during game will just now find ways to harass them outside of feast or outside of the game. A better solution would be to mute repeat offenders who harass others in feast, not taking out chat entirely.

There are already so many macros and buttons we have to juggle with pvp abilities. Adding 40 different quick chat buttons is just not a feasible solution to the issue. You are never going to be able to add everything we need. Please reinstate chat in feast, especially in Light Party. There is absolutely no justification for taking chat out of Light Party. We have a player who is deaf who cannot communicate over voice so in light party currently we are unable to communicate effectively with him at all due to not being able to type in chat.

[Cleanse]

In a best case scenario, this system would only be flagged on toxic player's accounts.

If "no chat" is here to stay, removing these silly "chat abilities" and just letting us use all the auto translate options (with a few new pvp ones added in).

[Februs]

Greetings, adventurers.

Thank you for all of the feedback you have provided in regards to the chat restrictions in The Feast. Please rest assured that we have been sharing your thoughts with the development team and will continue to do so.

At this time, the team is planning on making improvements to the quick chat feature to improve communication. If you have any suggestions for improvements to this feature, including additions of phrases such as "Please recover MP," be sure to let us know!

Remove the chat restriction.

You can keep the quick-chat feature in if you want to, but no matter what improvements you try to make to it, it will never be a substitute for actual communication. Forced censorship is also morally and fundamentally wrong in any civilized culture. Assuming everyone is going to be equally abusive and punishing us all in advance of crimes that many of us have not even committed is also wrong. Judgement comes after the crime, not before. Implementing this policy is the worst decision the development team has ever made, and it should be removed immediately.

Secondly, it would be greatly appreciated if you could restructure how your development team communicates with their players. Quite frankly, it is unacceptable that it has taken this long to get any kind of official response on this issue, especially when other issues receive much faster responses from the community representatives. PvP might be a small and niche community in FFxiv, but they are still paying customers. They deserve equal customer support from their development team. I understand that the decisions you are faced with in the PvP side of this game are often more challenging than those of PvE, but PvP'ers should not be left completely in the dark and feel as though they have been abandoned. Even the smallest amount of communication is appreciated so long as it is consistent. Keeping in touch with us instead of blindsiding us with random announcements and arbitrary decisions would be a dramatic improvement which would go miles to encouraging a bit more confidence in the development team. Oddly enough, that theme of open communication seems more important now than ever before.

[loreleidiangelo]

I'm new to Feast myself, and don't appreciate the lack of a functioning chat feature. I can't even tell players that they can Purify me if mine is on cooldown...nothing like sitting uselessly under Sleep while my teammates get massacred right next to me, with Purify still on CD because I used it to get out of a dangerous situation earlier.

It's not a problem that can be solved strictly with more bloated chat buttons. How can I tell the other healer that I have Attunement up and that I need attention? How can I tell our DPS to get out of the chokepoint on the bridge because we're getting set up for caster/physical ranged LBs? How can I even tell people that LB isn't shared, and that if they've got it, they can use it without worrying about messing up the team? How can I tell the team to ignore the enemy healer because they're slept, or for our casters to set up an LB chain because my Collective Unconscious is up?

There are not enough buttons in the WORLD to say what needs to be said in this mode. I am not a delicate flower; the company doesn't need to protect my fee-fees at the expense of competitive strategy and conversation. Having the chat disabled during my first queues today didn't make me feel relieved that no one could say anything if I was bad. It made me feel anxious because I had no one I could turn to for advice.

[Kaiyoko]

Remove the chat restriction, I don't even want to bother playing Feast anymore if I can't communicate with my teammates.