The New Chat Restriction in The Feast

[Indicative]

Actually the new chat is perfectly fine. I never got anything more interesting in it before 3.5, (minus raging, trash-talking and exchanges of insults, which upon reporting, the GMs would ignore right away).

If you can't follow target/ignore/bind marks and waypoints, maybe you should take up something less demanding.. I hear fishing is quite interesting at lv60.

It's really fun playing an 8V8 and having two tanks with 8/9 stacks continuously run into the backlines and go for healers, immediately run back because they took damage, and immediately run back in. Forcing healers to spend way more resources of their moves because there's no way to tell them to stop doing that.

Honestly? The only way I've gotten people to stop doing stupid mistakes is using "Nice job!" "Thank you!" in the most sarcastic way possible in the Feast. Oh you died with ten stacks? Nice job! Nice job! Nice job!

There's no way to tell people how the game actually works with this new chat system. That's why it's -not- fine. You can't help new PvPers and they end up having an awful experience. The minute before the match starts also opens up a HUGE amount of time to coordinate that you just can't do with these restrictions.

In regards to the marks, a lot of people really don't care about that. It's easy to say that those players should do something else. The problem? They won't. No amount of chat restriction is going to explain that they shouldn't attack x target or focus y target for these players.

[Ama_Hamada]

So this is SE's idea of balance? a premade with outside chat vs no chat?

It's really fun playing an 8V8 and having two tanks with 8/9 stacks continuously run into the backlines and go for healers, immediately run back because they took damage, and immediately run back in. Forcing healers to spend way more resources of their moves because there's no way to tell them to stop doing that.

Honestly? The only way I've gotten people to stop doing stupid mistakes is using "Nice job!" "Thank you!" in the most sarcastic way possible in the Feast. Oh you died with ten stacks? Nice job! Nice job! Nice job!

There's no way to tell people how the game actually works with this new chat system. That's why it's -not- fine. You can't help new PvPers and they end up having an awful experience. The minute before the match starts also opens up a HUGE amount of time to coordinate that you just can't do with these restrictions.

In regards to the marks, a lot of people really don't care about that. It's easy to say that those players should do something else. The problem? They won't. No amount of chat restriction is going to explain that they shouldn't attack x target or focus y target for these players.

Did you read closely to the quote you are replying to? It is passive-aggressive, I am sure someone tried to give them advice, threw out some line that is basically "Do not tell me how to play, I know what I am doing" and people flip out. My friend told a person once "do not run in 10 people solo, you will be killed" only to get a reply of "I am new, don't be a cuck" I am sure a lot of people saying no chat is fine, have that attitude. They also have low experience if they think it is that simple.

Why is there so little communication to us by SE in regards with this issue? oh wait it is just like the change to feast. *blows MLG horn*

[Indicative]

Why is there so little communication to us by SE in regards with this issue? oh wait it is just like the change to feast. *blows MLG horn*

With something as huge as a chat restriction, I do really wish there was.more foresight and discussion with the community before just outright implementing it.

[loreleidiangelo]

Actually the new chat is perfectly fine. I never got anything more interesting in it before 3.5, (minus raging, trash-talking and exchanges of insults, which upon reporting, the GMs would ignore right away).

If you can't follow target/ignore/bind marks and waypoints, maybe you should take up something less demanding.. I hear fishing is quite interesting at lv60.

No mounts from the new PVP event, eh? Even after it's been out for all this time?

Why am I not surprised?

[Cordie]

off-topic:

No mounts from the new PVP event, eh? Even after it's been out for all this time?

Why am I not surprised?

uhmmm no.. I won't take ugly gear and a ridiculous-looking title just for another Kirin of sorts. I picked a total of 3-4 pieces for some jobs, and other than that the only use I have for Wolf Marks is levelling desynth skill (works rly well for 165+).

[loreleidiangelo]

uhmmm no.. I won't take ugly gear and a ridiculous-looking title just for another Kirin of sorts. I picked a total of 3-4 pieces for some jobs, and other than that the only use I have for Wolf Marks is levelling desynth skill (works rly well for 165+).

But...you work towards those rewards just by actively PVPing. There's really no reason to not have them if you are actually PVPing post-3.5, except as some kind of weird boycott to the Garo event for some reason. Your achievements weren't visible, and I didn't see you on the Feast ladder, and you're not even wearing any of the gear on your current job, BLM, so I have no idea if you're actually PVPing or not, or just a PVE player who derped around in the mode for a little bit and felt qualified to comment on the chat removal nonetheless.

[Dimitrii]

If you can't follow target/ignore/bind marks and waypoints, maybe you should take up something less demanding.. I hear fishing is quite interesting at lv60.

Amusingly condescending attitude for someone who sounds so ignorant in alluding that these basic, overly simplified, and uninformative quick chat options combined with said markers is enough to coordinate team battle strategy, tactics and commands at high levels of play. Makes anyone question whether you have ever ranked within the top 100 any of the seasons past or present, or even reached Gold or higher rank if you believe something as asinine as that. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you at least have though and are just merely trolling with that comment. Otherwise if not kindly keep oblivious comments like that to yourself, no one wants to listen to you talk about things you know nothing about.

[Cordie]

there's 3 of them? wouldn't even notice - they looked the same to me (Kirin clones or whatever). I only got some items for future glams and desynth fodder..

Not a big fan of the Feast since its "free chat" days, as GMs would repeatedly neglect their responsibilities. Meanwhile, I did prefer the Frontlines, when we still had proper 24-player matches rather than the current 72 ice rush.
Since the patch I've only tried 8v8 (it's the only mode that pops now (!?)), but seeing the chat is removed I would be more than willing to try 4v4/solo again... no 10-line sound effect macro spam, no trash-talking because X player thinks we must give a **** about their ranking, none of this.

No, Dimitrii, this isn't joking: if you can't follow something as simple as a mark "attack this"/"bind/cc this" or even without these, ppl not paying attention to enemy CD usage/availability (I've seen way too many Silvers and Golds too failing hard at this, mind you), no amount of free chat will save your "strategy" or "tactics".. and "high levels of play" lol pls it's just a MOBA -it's not chess.
Anyways, I think I'll mark my initial response to Lorelei as off-topic, b/c this is getting derailed.

[Ama_Hamada]

there's 3 of them? wouldn't even notice - they looked the same to me (Kirin clones or whatever). I only got some items for future glams and desynth fodder..

Not a big fan of the Feast since its "free chat" days, as GMs would repeatedly neglecttheir responsibilities. Meanwhile, I did prefer the Frontlines, when we still had proper 24-player matches rather than the current 72 ice rush.
Since the patch I've only tried 8v8 (it's the only mode that pops now (!?)), but seeing the chat is removed I would be more than willing to try 4v4/solo again... no 10-line sound effect macro spam, no trash-talking because X player thinks we must give a **** about their ranking, none of this.

No, Dimitrii, this isn't joking: if you can't follow something as simple as a mark "attack this"/"bind/cc this" or even without these, ppl not paying attention to enemy CD usage/availability (I've seen way too many Silvers and Golds too failing hard at this, mind you), no amount of free chat will save your "strategy" or "tactics".. and "high levels of play" lol pls it's just a MOBA -it's not chess.
Anyways, I think I'll mark my initial response to Lorelei as off-topic, b/c this is getting derailed.

Then why allow chat in pve? Pve is more automated then pvp and used more often to be toxic then in pvp, because in pvp you need to communicate strategy where in pve you do not need to.

[TiaHariberux3]

Actually the new chat is perfectly fine. I never got anything more interesting in it before 3.5, (minus raging, trash-talking and exchanges of insults, which upon reporting, the GMs would ignore right away).

If you can't follow target/ignore/bind marks and waypoints, maybe you should take up something less demanding.. I hear fishing is quite interesting at lv60.

Comes from a person who never pvp ~.~ You probably never played a single 4vs4 and still think its a good change. There is defintely more than "follow target" etc. and its a pain to make commands for all the possible phrases to a point its not even possible to use fast enough (already is). I mean dont get me wrong people can make feedback but doing so while never actually played the mode is meh. Also you can just hide your chatbox if you want to avoid toxic behaviour.