The New Chat Restriction in The Feast

[Zojha]

Without chat you'll keep making the same mistakes and end up with a 30% winrate.

So who told the people who know what to do what to do when the game mode was new and nobody knew what to do? Did SE rage at them for schooling ?.?

[FreeKingStefan]

So who told the people who know what to do what to do when the game mode was new and nobody knew what to do? Did SE rage at them for schooling ?.?

Being a pioneer of strategy is way different than beings weeks/months/years behind the curve in terms of knowledge.

[kensatsu]

Tiramasu, there is ragers and ragers, you may give some hints to new players, other may hints some new players and give advices, others ragers will say : don't queue again, delete your game, get cancer, ect... espcecialy the bronze rager, the best of all.

[TiramisuMacaron]

Tiramasu, there is ragers and ragers, you may give some hints to new players, other may hints some new players and give advices, others ragers will say : don't queue again, delete your game, get cancer, ect... espcecialy the bronze rager, the best of all.

People already get 10day bans/permanent bans for saying much less than that. All SE needs to do is make known that banning is more strict. Even an automated warning if you get enough reports will quell the behaviour. There was a big trash talker on Primal last season, a ton of people reported him, a gm talked to him, he stopped trash talking. Again, removing chat during the match won't change much for players that trash talk. It will happen in prematch and in the form of /tells after the match.

[kensatsu]

I like the idea of automated messages for behavor instead of destroy the chat.
I still see toxicity a lot, i just get out from a match where players was doing a drama in the chat in the middle of the match. The better thing to do to destroy any way to come back.

[Zojha]

Being a pioneer of strategy is way different than beings weeks/months/years behind the curve in terms of knowledge.

It's not a whole lot different - the main difference is that learning is easier since you can copy from your opponents who use that knowledge against you. Learning by imitation is, after all, one of the most intuitive ways of learning - applied instinctively from early childhood onward.

Either way, it is, on principle, faulty to assume that a person who doesn't get told how to play "proper" is going to keep making the same mistakes, or else nobody would ever have been able to learn, as everyone would still be making the same mistakes. The "pioneers of strategy" as you would call them are simply a proof of concept - learning can happen without teaching. Is it slower? Likely. But if the person in question wants to accelerate the process, they can ask more experienced people. The option isn't out after all - chances are, explanations are a lot better outside the battlefield anyway, because the person explaining doesn't have to focus on the ongoing game at the same time and has more time to type.

That said: It's a weak argument. People should pick stronger ones, it's not like there's a lack of them.

[Cleanse]

Is it slower? Likely. But if the person in question wants to accelerate the process, they can ask more experienced people.

The thing is Zojha, they may not be able to ask more experienced people if chat is muted from start to finish. Even then some of the better players are on locked realms, so asking outside of a match is not a real option for everyone.

Hardly any of the arguments against this change are weak. Outside of catering to people being overly sensitive, restricting chat does not mean games will be better. People who are triggered can set up a muted party/say/emote tab with one of their 4 chat tabs. They can play Feast in ignorance while those of us who use chat to communicate can resume doing so.

[Zojha]

The thing is Zojha, they may not be able to ask more experienced people if chat is muted from start to finish. Even then some of the better players are on locked realms, so asking outside of a match is not a real option for everyone.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...For-Tips-Feast
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-nervous-pvper
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...r-Monk-Acc-cap
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...575-New-to-pvp
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...p-in-The-Feast

'kay. Can't argue with that!

(Just to name "a few" threads where people used the option that's apparently not a real option and asked questions to the more experienced players. I could plaster this page if I wanted to go through the forums more extensively. But keep up your beliefs! It's religious freedom.
I'll just see myself out - no point in arguing with people in fully socketed Fact Resistance materia)

[Nakanishi]

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A lot of what you are saying is logical in the sense that ALL of the players that play PvP (or this game) use logic, unfortunately that isn't the case.. If everyone used logistics rather then going in utterly blinded (be it their job's basics or the game mode), ignoring advice perceving it as insults no matter the manner the advice is given, and/or continuously showering themselves in ignorance even after dozens of games, a lot of these issues wouldn't existence.

The fact of the matter is not everyone uses logic when they encounter certain trials. People can barely tell the difference between any type of criticism and toxicity.

If the only pro of chat disability is less "toxicity" SE is sadly mistaken in that regard.

[Royin]

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...For-Tips-Feast
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...-nervous-pvper
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...r-Monk-Acc-cap
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...575-New-to-pvp
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...p-in-The-Feast

'kay. Can't argue with that!

(Just to name "a few" threads where people used the option that's apparently not a real option and asked questions to the more experienced players. I could plaster this page if I wanted to go through the forums more extensively. But keep up your beliefs! It's religious freedom.
I'll just see myself out - no point in arguing with people in fully socketed Fact Resistance materia)

To be honest I made that thread in hopes of reaching the biggest audience, I also wouldn't even know who the 'more experienced players' are and if they're specialized in healing but if I knew and they were in my group I would definitely ask.
The thread didn't get that much reaction anyway; 5 replies of which 1 was mine. Happy some people replied, but it's not as much as I had hoped.