dev1033 No Job Leveling?

[grandm]

i knda agree with OP. as soon as i found out jobs and class lv at the same time i took a break from battle to work on craft and gathering. i will go back to battle class/job when the job system comes out (will have a little play with new classes in 1.20 tho)

should point out i understand why its like it is with no leveling. i just don't want to be at 50 when it comes out, that why i slowed down on battle

[Sanlord]

So from what I read it would seem like if I had a level 50 LNC and unlock Dragoon I'd have a level 50 Dragoon... I think its bad to just give us the levels I know it makes it easier. I know a lot of people might be thinking " Oh awesome I didn't want to level another job." What I want you to think about though is should we really just be handed the jobs levels? I know they were talking of doing a quest system to unlock ability's but I think just giving us level 50 is a bad idea. Part of playing a MMO is leveling and I think some people may think once they get all classes to 50 they have nothing else to do. I know there will be end game content to do but some people don't always see end game content as interesting. Not to mention some people may want to just take a break from end game for awhile and level a job they never thought about leveling before. Another concern is people may see someones class as GLD but think oh a PLD. You might think oh why should they care the exp goes to their GLD too. Until you want to play as a GLD and not a PLD. If the thought of casual players comes to mind ask yourself this does everyone really need to have every class and job at max? Having a bunch of classes and jobs at max isn't needed to enjoy the game its a luxury granted by hard work and determination. I say make people earn job levels. Make having all jobs at 50 feel like something special.


Ok ok Hang on a sec *puts on fireproof suit* Ok I'm ready bring on the heat.

Hmmm... 5 Quests to have the advanced job at the max level... will those quests be easy? If you have the answer now, you can blame the SE, if not, stop complainning. I'd love to spend 100 hours making quests to have a class on max level than grind for infinite hours w/o no aparent purpose...

The quests can be good challenges.

[ToxicFox]

Hmmm... 5 Quests to have the advanced job at the max level... will those quests be easy? If you have the answer now, you can blame the SE, if not, stop complainning. I'd love to spend 100 hours making quests to have a class on max level than grind for infinite hours w/o no aparent purpose...

The quests can be good challenges.

Grinding for hours gets you better at your job and allows you to learn how to play it before you jump into the high level stuff. Earning ability's slowly as you progress helps you to take everything in so no one goes to a end game event thinking their archer can tank.... I can't tell you how many low level RDM's got pissed when I asked them to cast cure in FFXI. I even met a semi high level war that refused to vok for even a second cause he "wasn't a tank" we had a NIN as tank but sometimes his shadows would go down.

[Bearforce]

Grinding for hours gets you better at your job and allows you to learn how to play it before you jump into the high level stuff. Earning ability's slowly as you progress helps you to take everything in so no one goes to a end game event thinking their archer can tank.... I can't tell you how many low level RDM's got pissed when I asked them to cast cure in FFXI. I even met a semi high level war that refused to vok for even a second cause he "wasn't a tank" we had a NIN as tank but sometimes his shadows would go down.

because SE sadly did not put a tutorial on how to use jobs instead the system is bashing players on the head and rooting them out which is pretty sad.

dont blame the players on how not to play, blame an arrogant jackass game designer that designed a sorry excuse of a game.

[ToxicFox]

because SE sadly did not put a tutorial on how to use jobs instead the system is bashing players on the head and rooting them out which is pretty sad.

dont blame the players on how not to play, blame an arrogant jackass game designer that designed a sorry excuse of a game.

Believe it or not the starting missions are kinda like a tutorial they just don't say "TUTORIAL" in large flashing letters. Still they can't do a tutorial for every little thing. Do you need a tutorial to know how to eat and walk? You learned those things through trial and error I'm guessing.

People have a time to get to know their job solo then they have to learn how their job works in a party. How is it you plan to teach them how to play in a party without putting them in a party? MMO's are intense you either can play them or you can't. My first MMO was FFXI and I didn't have any books to help me level faster or any buffs. FFXI back then was very unforgiving. I remember a guy linked half of dunes lizzy pop and ran to the zone but didn't make it. My party was fighting a lizzy at the time and all the lizzy's that were on that guy linked and killed us. Lucky for us a /anon WHM walked by right after and raised us.

If you feel like tossing peoples poor performance on the dev team then that's just sad. They make the system and we use it so if 90% of people can use the system effectively and the other 10% fails to understand their role or gets some idea in their head that mage's are melee types. We all just blame it on the devs and say they made the game poorly. I mean what do I say when the archer I invited refuses to shoot arrows cause they cost money? Damn them devs they should of made a giant pop up tutorial saying "GUESS WHAT MORON ARROWS COST GIL!"

[grandm]

@sanlord

go back and re-read my post. i bolded the important bits that show that i do read the bit where they say its all subject to change

[AdorraEloom]

From what I understand is jobs are for the casual player (War), and classes are more for the solo hardcore player (MRD). Again this is how I understand it and I could be wrong but this is how I believe the system so far works.

Jobs (like warrior or monk ex..) will have set abilities/skills/moves, a balance for that job at which you can not use skills from other jobs, your just a job with a set of skills. Classes (like MRD or PUG Ex..) will continue to have their own set of abilities/skills/moves, how ever, you will be able to use skills from other classes kinda like you can do now, example would be using cure from a conj on your MRD ex...

Easiest example would be GLD VS the PLD: A PLD (job) will have cure, a taunt type move and so on, so if your a casual player and like tanking this is how you would achieve that goal just rank up a gld which will turn into a pld and thats it, changing to PLD will have your basic skills as a tank that's all you have to level up. Now lets say your a hardcore player and want a tanking job, than again you would rank up a GLD, but now you have to level up a conj as well for the cure, and a pug for the taunt and so on, basically making you rank up other classes (kinda like todays system) and using the skills from other classes on your GLD.

Hope this helps, and again this is how I believe the new system works, I could be wrong because I'm getting bits of information from here and there, but that's pretty much how I think this will work.

[Camisado]

The practice you get from levelling a class from 1 to 50 should prepare you fairly well for its job counterpart since they have a very similar role in the party with minor alterations to their ability. If you do wish to practice with a job you have the option to join a party with more casual objectives such as farming keys where your sole performance will not greatly affect the party's success.

Although it may be disappointing if you have levelled your favourite classes already and will not be able to use their jobs as much as you like, remember that new content will always be introduced to give you more to do. Including a higher level cap - giving you the chance to level up as the job as well. Aside from that small issue I am glad the jobs and classes share the same level. I would rather not be forced to level a job after going through what will likely be an almost identical experience from when I levelled up the class.

I think partying as the job may be more enjoyable than as the class so I am waiting to level some classes until the jobs are released so I can level as the job instead.