dev1033 No Job Leveling?

[ToxicFox]

So from what I read it would seem like if I had a level 50 LNC and unlock Dragoon I'd have a level 50 Dragoon... I think its bad to just give us the levels I know it makes it easier. I know a lot of people might be thinking " Oh awesome I didn't want to level another job." What I want you to think about though is should we really just be handed the jobs levels? I know they were talking of doing a quest system to unlock ability's but I think just giving us level 50 is a bad idea. Part of playing a MMO is leveling and I think some people may think once they get all classes to 50 they have nothing else to do. I know there will be end game content to do but some people don't always see end game content as interesting. Not to mention some people may want to just take a break from end game for awhile and level a job they never thought about leveling before. Another concern is people may see someones class as GLD but think oh a PLD. You might think oh why should they care the exp goes to their GLD too. Until you want to play as a GLD and not a PLD. If the thought of casual players comes to mind ask yourself this does everyone really need to have every class and job at max? Having a bunch of classes and jobs at max isn't needed to enjoy the game its a luxury granted by hard work and determination. I say make people earn job levels. Make having all jobs at 50 feel like something special.


Ok ok Hang on a sec *puts on fireproof suit* Ok I'm ready bring on the heat.

[Airget]

The problem with jobs is they aren't meant to be leveled. If you look at the list that was given you would notice that all jobs only have 5 abilities. This ties into the concept that we are given 15 class abilities, 10 free slots and then 5 slots left open which take the role of what the job abilities are. Jobs aren't their own self-defined class they are a class enhancer and as such level up along with your class rather then act as it's own. If they planned out jobs to have more abilities and traits of their own I could understand wanting the 1-50 experience however based on what is known, the experience of jobs will be told through quest. So even a person who is a 50 Pugilist won't have access to all the Monk abilities once they unlock the Monk job, they'll have to do all the quest before obtaining them all which could mean that each job has 5 unique quest attached to them starting at 30 and going from 35/40/45/50.

It's also unclear as to how challenging the quest may be, they may be simple lore based enjoy the plot quest or omg defeat this annoying mob kind of quest. Heck if you consider the current meta-game of xp the sense of accomplishment is basically hindered on the current method of being able to PL, so pretty much if you gave levels to those jobs it wouldn't be people grouping together fighting leveling it up the fastest, but the linkshell with the most people PLing their friends to the cap level.

Overall Jobs are there own entity, used to give the class a defined role, it's as simple as that, to complex it anymore would add an unnecessary time sink if the only outcome at 50 was having access to 5 abilities. In the future there could be different concepts to the job system or even needing certain jobs unlocked to unlock new classes. But ya that's all in the future and even the jobs themselves aren't til 1.21 so things can change but I doubt they will change to become their own identity.

[PrettyPrincess]

...why are people finding this a surprise still? It was mentioned how it would work months ago O.o

[Sephrick]

People just can't seem to grasp the concept that if you're a "Paladin" you're just a Gladiator with a few extra abilities. There's nothing to level.

[Betelgeuzah]

People just can't seem to grasp the concept that if you're a "Paladin" you're just a Gladiator with a few extra abilities. There's nothing to level.

Assuming that they won't take GLA's actions away when you become PLD, like your HP among other things.
To say that you're just a GLA is stretching it.

[Sephrick]

Assuming that they won't take GLA's actions away when you become PLD, like your HP among other things.
To say that you're just a GLA is stretching it.

It'd be kind of tough to play with only five abilities. Besides, there's job weaponskills and magic that chain off base actions available to the class. Like DRG WS 2 comboing from LNC WS 6.

[Betelgeuzah]

It'd be kind of tough to play with only five abilities. Besides, there's job weaponskills and magic that chain off base actions available to the class. Like DRG WS 2 comboing from LNC WS 6.

Not all abilities, duh.

Just like when you're a MRD and don't have access to some WAR skills, it can go both ways.

They might even give WAR actions from the second class the job originates from to boost it's performance in the role it excels in, plus to fill in the lost actions.

In that case it's quite the stretch that PLD would be "just like GLA". It keeps the weaponskills and the weapon type. Sounds like the case of WAR vs. PLD in XI.

[grandm]

It'd be kind of tough to play with only five abilities. Besides, there's job weaponskills and magic that chain off base actions available to the class. Like DRG WS 2 comboing from LNC WS 6.

they did say months ago that when you become pld you would lose some gld's moves, i don't know if this is still the case or not. but they say class can be played solo and job can't. well if pld had all gld's moves plus extra i don't see how it would lose its solo powers

[Sanlord]

they did say months ago that when you become pld you would lose some gld's moves, i don't know if this is still the case or not. but they say class can be played solo and job can't. well if pld had all gld's moves plus extra i don't see how it would lose its solo powers

OMFG OMFG OMFG people always forget to read the best part of the all texts from SE. This is still under development and everything is subject to change. xD

[ToxicFox]

So they're just altering the current classes and slapping a fancy title on it... That's just lame... Still with everything how it is I wonder how they plan to add in something like a new class....

Btw I only just recently read up on the road map and got up to date on everything.