Objection to the new adjustment for PGL, they gonna make this class useless in PT.

[Nagamaki]

Accoding to the actions list, the only evasion based ability that isn't getting axed is Jarring Strike, ie PGL WS 9. There isn't another evasion counter WS so no Haymaker at all, can't be class exclusive if it no longer exists. If the name/animation are reused at all, it'll be as one of the many standard weaponskills so whether you are tanking or not is not an issue.

Simian Thrash, assuming the name and animation are reused, is being converted into a normal WS without an evasion requirement that is even part of a combo, PGL WS 3. The text mentions low damage and it being toned down a little was to be expected with the requirement being removed, it could still have pretty decent potential. Either way, PGL will retain 1 evasion counter (the weakest, utility one) so complaining about the evasion requirements at this point is a waste of time.

Where there is legitimate cause for concern is in the the balance between the following elements: base damage (unbuffed), effectiveness of the damage boost from kicks/elemental modes, rate of MP consumption of those modes and effectiveness of the MP recovery tools. Balancing these elements properly would be a challenge for anyone but given the current, very poor compensation offered by Featherfoot for the MP costs of Light Strike and Pummel, being worried about potential issues is natural especially since cross-class MP abilities don't seem likely to be as effective as Siphon MP.

If base damage over time is close to comparable with other classes, then the buffs can't be too strong without breaking balance unless the MP cost is extremely high. If base damage is significantly lower and doing acceptable damage requires having the buffs active the majority of the time, the cost needs to be balanced so that this can be achieved. You also have to take into account the presence or lack of a bard to give refresh, whether the refresh (MP) song will stack with the regain (TP) and accuracy songs, how practical separating songs will be if you can't just stack them all, etc.

All in all a fairly complex balancing act and expecting the devs to get it right the first time is highly unrealistic, but expecting them to get it horribly wrong and let it remain horribly wrong forever after is also ridiculous. While certain things about SE haven't changed quite as much as they'd like us to believe, denying the change in their attitude when it comes to addressing glaring balance issues is just ridiculous, if anything at this point they've been overcompensating. They realize the game will fail if they don't achieve interesting and balanced results, it might take a few steps to get there but they are actually willing to take those steps as problems come up instead of the early XI attitude of pretending there was nothing wrong for years and then nerfing or buffing certain elements with the delicate subtlety of a jackhammer without even acknowledging that there was a problem at all.

[SniperRifle]

Personally I'm pretty stoked to try PGL/MNK out after 1.21. I never took thf higher then 37 and monk never above 18 (on my 3 accounts) in FF11. However, once new jobs come out I'm interested in giving ones I did not have an interest in before another chance.

This: PGL Abl. 2 Makes your next attack a crit when executed from behind the target. Traits may trigger INT bonus.

and this: MNK Abl. 1 Temporarily increases attack speed.

are what swayed my decision. After seeing how useful Blindeside II is on Ifrit, and how simply 1 or 2 key abilities can make or break a class (SATA - THF, Utsusemi - NIN, Souleater - DRK) in FF11. I'll just wait to see how things are once they come out. I already know what I want to play. I'm just curious to see if I can get a 2nd chance to play classes I never dug to deep into in FF11, but in FF14.

[Zozor]

pgl is already useless. Any dev attention at all is a good thing.

[Zoltan]

Bring back MNK guard and make players skill it up to be useful.

[Estellios]

I think you could use Taunt to force the enemy to hit you for MP recovery when you're not the tank, especially since Taunt itself doesn't give you any "real" enmity as far as I know. The real problem is that taunt currently doesn't last very long and it *might* need to have its recast time lowered to do this consistently. There's that MP recovery or drain WS that PGL is getting that might be useful, too.

I have been playing PGL with some of my friends' side classes, and having a lot of fun with it. The stances are how I feel PGL should have been in the first place (based on the original class concepts they showed us years ago) so I'm excited to take it up later.

[Teknoman]

As long as they make elemental weaknesses more apparent, Pugilist/Monk sounds like it'll be a great, fast elemental melee attacker.

[Elexia]

As long as they make elemental weaknesses more apparent, Pugilist/Monk sounds like it'll be a great, fast elemental melee attacker.

^ This. We simply don't know what's going to happen till it's implemented and experiencing it. They may do what they did to FFXI in...2004/2005 and apply a Magical patch, which fixed (or nerfed in the words of manaburners) magic resistances and calculations.

So elemental fists of fury could likely be the best thing to happen to battle strategy for all we know.

[Sojiro]

As long as they make elemental weaknesses more apparent, Pugilist/Monk sounds like it'll be a great, fast elemental melee attacker.

Thats what i'm banking on as well. It sounds like we can get in there and do some real bursty elemental damage, I am concerned how MP management will go, but I guess we'll see.

[Alise]

When it come to MMO, and PT recruitment, people only ask for the best in certain role.

MRD and GLA is likely to steal their spot for safety tank or speed run tank as I posted in first post. it is same as what happen currently.

I can't see any best role for PGL yet. if compare as DD, people will fill as many LNC as they could.

[Alerith]

When it come to MMO, and PT recruitment, people only ask for the best in certain role.

MRD and GLA is likely to steal their spot for safety tank or speed run tank as I posted in first post. it is same as what happen currently.

I can't see any best role for PGL yet. if compare as DD, people will fill as many LNC as they could.

In response to this, I shall simply quote what I posted earlier that you didn't seem to read.

Everyone is talking about them in one mob fight scenarios. This delves into the tanking argument as well. People are trying to say "Is GLA better than MRD for tanking? Will PLD be better than WAR for tanking?"

The argument is irrelevant as they are designed for two different types of tanking. MRD/WAR for multiple mobs, GLA/PLD for single mobs. The argument is similar for PGL.

In a single, one target fight, you may want a LNC over a PGL because chances are the PGL may not have a chance to use it's heavy evasion required abilties.

But if you're fighting multiple targets, the PGL could easliy take the attention of one and tank it while DD'ing the main mob (in an EXP party) or simple fighting it one on one (like trash mobs in a boss fight.).

The PGL/MNK could then use the evasion from the mob that it's tanking in order to use the evasion abilities it has on the main target, even if the main target isn't attacking the PGL/MNK.

This opens up ideal set ups, which I know people don't particularly like, but it does make most classes useful.

I'm Pro-PLD but even I will admit that MRD/WAR will most likely be best for multiple target situations. Just as I'm sure many LNC/DRG would admit that their survivability doesn't really allow them to perform as well in multi-target situations compared to single target engagments, making PGL more ideal.

TL;DR version:

One Target:
GLA/PLD
LNC/DRG

Multiple Targets:
MRD/WAR
PGL/MNK

Use the best job suited to how many mobs you plan on fighting.