Objection to the new adjustment for PGL, they gonna make this class useless in PT.

[Akuun]

As for my response to this thread, I personally think the changes will be good.
The original design plan for pugilist was to have stances which were never implemented.
This lack of stances made this jack-of-all master of none, by adding the stances they are correcting this.
We don't yet know the tick cost or what the mp return will be on the weapon skill or if feather foots return will be adjusted.

To make assumptions on the class sucking because of mp cost at this point is premature.
If the costs are too high I'm sure we will all be back here complaining about it.


As for the Ifrit fight, marauder, lancer, and pugilist can all hit about the same damage on the fight.
The only reason that lancer is preferred is due to three things. First, lancer can generate TP faster.
Lancer also only has a ten second cool down on it's 2000+ TP attack. Lastly, they can stand out of
range of the sear that tears other melee apart. The last one is the one that really makes people
think twice about inviting a Pugilist to the fight as the other two are not a make or break issue.

So essentially it's an issue with the balance of the fight, not the classes.

[Alerith]

Okay, should I change the word "need" into "demand"?
That is what community want, and that is the most effective way.

Although the last part, a group of MRD is really need in order to win SH Amajaa gold chest, and Natalan gold chest with one PT, unless you could prove me otherwise, (with vid)

MMO community demand :"easiest to win", "fastest to gain", and "least to share".
Current PGL doesn't bring any of these. only waste spot in PT.

Really, you need a new LS or a new group of friends who are more flexible.

It's not the fault of the class if you don't have a group that allows you to make it useful. Our shell, which is a social shell by the way, no endgame focus, did Dodore on a whim. We had two PGL in the group, and I'm glad we did. While holding the main NM on GLA, the PGLs were tanking the lesser minions so the LNC and mages could do the damage and healing.

Could we have replaced the PGLs with MRDs? Sure.
Could we have replaced the PGLs with LNCs? Probably.
Did we? No. PGL is more than capable and we're a part of a group that allows flexibility. In fact, I'm GLAD we had the PGLs there because they were doing some very good evasion tanking.

It's not the class that is the problem.