[DEV REQUEST] Please make the Hellhound Obtainable By More than Just the Top 100 PVP

[FreeKingStefan]

I feel somewhat obligated to post here since my thread was linked in the OP.

I am a very involved PvPer. It's not my main focus in this game, but I do like it a lot and care a great deal about it. So I'll say this...

Take the mount and the minion. I don't really care.

However, we do need something decent in return. I'm very tired of hearing the same people whine over and over about exclusive rewards, when the maximum amount of effort the put into it are the 20 or so games they play and get absolutely destroyed. If you suck at something, you do not deserve the same rewards as those that don't suck.

[Araxes]

Im like: People didnt cry out when we PvPers got exclusive Glamour but when it comes to Pets and mounts everyone is yelling at SE "OMG PLS WE WANT DIS TOO!!!"

Its like im Asking for the a12 savage mount to be obtainable by farming the normal Alexander Raids.

[Zojha]

Its like im Asking for the a12 savage mount to be obtainable by farming the normal Alexander Raids.

Isn't that like a guaranteed drop from the third chest on clearing A12S and will become rather easy to obtain once it can be unsync'd in Stormblood...?

[Alleo]

Its like im Asking for the a12 savage mount to be obtainable by farming the normal Alexander Raids.

You cant really compare them because you can farm A12 unsynch in 4.0 and later and still get the mount. You could only compare them if the A12 savage mount would only be for the first 100 that get the chest and only in a certain time. Yet you will always have the chance to get that mount, you just need to wait long enough to clear it unsynch. If you did not manage to get into the TOP100 in this season you will probably never get the mount.

Can you imagine how bad this would be, to train the raid for months, finally able to clear it and one person in your group wont get the mount because he/she is the 101th player that got the chest. There are already quite some mounts behind PVP that depending on the amount of players might be impossible to get or are still rare. But at least people can still try to get them.

[Lambdafish]

Isn't that like a guaranteed drop from the third chest on clearing A12S and will become rather easy to obtain once it can be unsync'd in Stormblood...?

So why not make the pvp minion/mount available through stormblood pvp content in the distant future? (like outdated minions and furnishings got put into Potd and aquapolis). There is no reason for people who didn't work for it to have the rewards right now, I'm actually disgusted that they have decided to allow people to obtain the minion another way before the season even ends.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

As another poster pointed out another reason might be how so damn toxic some PvPers can be to new players who would like to PvP even worse than PvE players are to newbies, it's no wonder the PvP is so unpopular.

There are some bad apples, yes. But how is that any different from how people would react to players who join farm parties for content they haven't cleared, or someone who joins a duty finder instance and is severely undergeared for said content? Or perhaps someone who is offered helpful advice from a more experienced player and aggressively and defiantly rejects the advice? Mind you, these are all scenarios I've encountered in both, so while it doesn't help, it's certainly not the big reason why PvP is unpopular.

If I may be so bold to say it, many hate it because they don't understand it, don't want to make the effort (as opposed to say, roulettes which you can half sleep through these days), aren't competitive, or make wrongful assumptions of it based entirely on their experiences in completely different games. PvP is unpopular because many simply don't WANT to try it or like it.

[Ultimatecalibur]

If I may be so bold to say it, many hate it because they don't understand it, don't want to make the effort (as opposed to say, roulettes which you can half sleep through these days), aren't competitive, or make wrongful assumptions of it based entirely on their experiences in completely different games. PvP is unpopular because many simply don't WANT to try it or like it.

There is also a very firm lack of reason to PvP other than just to PvP if you feel you can't get into the Top 100. The best non-ranked stuff you can get from PvP is i205, a minion and a few music scrolls. There is very little that you can get from pvp if you are /not good/ that you can't get easier from other content.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

This is an issue I brought up, actually in support of the matter at hand. PvP content is offered sporadically, and often with so few rewards, which is why the idea of having a new, unique reward reduced to an achievement award just doesn't sit well with most of us. Our gear has a useless stat on it, so useless in fact, that SE is even considering removing it entirely. Materia slots for materia bonuses that are ignored in the actual content. Item levels at least 2 patches behind, so it's not even useful outside of PvP, and is thus glamour gear purchased with a special currency that we cap then can do nothing with. I can't speak for everyone else, but I actually like PvP. I work a job with hours that just don't work well with trying to get in and stay in the top 100, but I still enjoy competing. And that's part of it: There are people asking for a competition award who simply don't want to compete. How is this possibly okay?

[Zojha]

So why not make the pvp minion/mount available through stormblood pvp content in the distant future?

Do you think there would be as many people complaining if SE went:
"All Season rewards will be made available for Wolf Marks after one year of the season's end." ?

Probably not by the people who want the Minions/Mounts/Glamour - that's just shelf life. People who collect mounts or minions and can't beat Savage will just wait until unsynced comes along, so no biggie waiting for that either. The outrage would come from the PvPers who think:

However, we do need something decent in return.

That is false by the way: The sentence should read "We WANT something decent...", because what PvP needs is definitely not hardcore gratification, it's a healthy playerbase, and badly. In the short term, rewards you put up need to serve as a band-aid to get people who would normally not play PvP into it, not to reward people who live and breathe it, so forget everything and anything "skill based" as well as everything that requires loads of dedication. In the long term, PvP gameplay needs to be reassessed to make reward bribery less necessary. That's what "needs" to happen. But that's not what the PvP community "wants" to happen, especially not hardcores themselves.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I both agree and disagree with your statement.

An analogy: SE offers a prize to people that climb a mountain. The first 10 get something extra for being the ones to rise above the rest. Now though, as people are climbing, they say "we will now offer the prize for anyone who walks the mountain trail". . . Sure, some people will still climb, for the love of climbing, or even simply seeing their hard work through. But really, who's gonna bother climbing the mountain for the prize if walking the trail will award you the same thing?

It's not that dedicated PvPers want something to lord over others, we want to know that our efforts aren't simply underappreciated. And by and large, we've gone plenty underappreciated til now.