Jump Potion...again

[Bourne_Endeavor]

There is a difference between being elitist and expect people to take some times to learn their job. Those people will ding 60 and probably try dungeons asap without reading their spells -_-
If I encounter someone having difficulties I always try my best to help if I know the class (and even if I don't I try speculate with him and take the time to try things) but if I encounter someone who skipped it via a potion AND has difficulties...han han, sorry but he had it coming.

Because he doesn't enjoy the story and didn't want to spend 60+ hours spamming esc/numpad 0? Once again, that sounds like elitism. I joined a static with members who have cleared A3S before any nerfs despite having no prior raid experience. My only clears at the time were A9S and A10S. They still took me and the raid leader offered some constructive feedback. Comparing this your statement, I should have been shunned away because I wasn't good enough. You're assuming someone is trash because they skipped story-- in the same manner elitist players assume people who haven't cleared equally challenging content are also trash. Would you judge Mizzteq? She's openly admitted to having skipped all the cut scenes and basically plays only for endgame raiding or to make her guides for the community. Or what about my quote earlier? I leveled through potd and fates. So what exactly did all those dungeons teach me? I didn't even level my two current mains through any of them.

[Neophyte]

If I encounter someone having difficulties I always try my best to help if I know the class (and even if I don't I try speculate with him and take the time to try things) but if I encounter someone who skipped it via a potion AND has difficulties...han han, sorry but he had it coming.

And that's elitism... the same as to expect a new raider who 'skipped' A1s-A8s, now starting with their first raid ever in A9s, to do the other ones (including level 50 synch Coils). Because how should they have learned raiding without that and why should they allowed to learn raiding in current content?

I rather teach someone with an empty head, than someone with a head already filled with the most stupid things... like teaching a new lvl 60 healer to get used to dps right away without him saying "I did 150h of playtime fine with doing no damage in dungeons."

I rather teach someone new than someone who still didn't got all those things MSQ supposedly teaches a new player according to you. Still, after 168h of playing.
And you're concerned about player quality? Then kick those scrubs...

You rather help such a person than a blank sheet?

[Jeycht]

Definitly like Bourne say.
I know MOST people just skip the story and lvling only in fates.
Back in 2.0 I knew a lot of people lvl 50 without touching any dungeons.
I see a LOT of people that have done dungeons and still doesn't know any BASIC of the job.
TBH the jump potion is not a problem, like really. The only thing that gonna do is helping people that only care about end-game and don't want to spend times in useless quests.

edit: I have read EVERY quest in the game (MSQ not all side quests) and sometimes that was REALLY boring. A lot of them are filling quests for exp only.
The story isn't bad but all these filling quests really ruin it.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

People have the right to screen players as they see fit though. I can't recall the exact phrasing used but in dungeons it's perfectly acceptable to kick players for 'differences in playstyle' if there's a problem with their performance. Elitism isn't necessarily always a bad thing- I'm generally pretty easy going and will do my best to help people through a dungeon even we wipe again and again so long as they're trying. Others won't be so patient, however - and I don't blame them given how valuable free time can be. A player who seeks to skip large swathes of the game's content to only focus on the end game isn't...really somebody I want to interact with.

If that mentality becomes the norm then it will very likely lead to old content being left to stagnate. This is, to some extent, inevitable - but it could cause a major shift in development to the point where only the end game matters and little else; much like what WoW succumbed to in its later years.

Except that isn't what is being discussed. You're advocating for segregation on the basis someone who purchased a skip potion would automatically be a terrible player, unwilling to learn. Celef outright admittedly they wouldn't even help them; instead gloating over their inexperience because, and I quote, "they had it coming." I'll reiterate once more, how does someone who skipped differentiate from someone who leveled through potd or fates? Guess we shouldn't interact with them. After all, they missed out that oh so valuable dungeon experience. That same dungeon experience where I'll be spamming Impulse Drive or Fire/Blizzard 1 until level 30. Riveting, by the way.

Honestly, good. There comes a time when old content needs to die. I've only played since last year and am already a little tied of being dragged back into old Primals or dungeons. I can only sympathize with people who have stayed subbed for three years. I either want all the EX Primals bumped up to 70 to reassert their challenge or leave them be for new content. Keeping old content alive is nice, but it eventually just becomes a bore.

[ReplicaX]

It's a fair request.

I don't consider segregation a fair request as player skill will always be an issue as it comes down to the individual player's willingness.

So basically i'm expected..

You are expecting a Corporation to Segregate and Label it's consumers. What about these ppl that already do not know what to do now? How do you want SE to handle them as well since it is your main argument in every thread?

Outside of normal DF, you have friends, FCs, Linkshells, Party Finder and Raid Finder in which you can setup basic requirements. Then, you can weed out players even further to tailor your needs. We all deal with this.

Unless you want the targeted audience to be even smaller and filtered which comes with a heavy price.

[Celef]

Like I said, do not care about them skiping the MSQ, having issue with them being given a lvl 60 toon with just a click.
How many more ice mage will we get ?
How many more SMN that do not manage their pet ?
How many more strenght WAR ?

Edit : i can't believe you'r actually happy about that

[Theodric]

I can understand seasoned players finding low level content 'boring' yet they really need to think back to the days when they, too, were new and everything was fresh and exciting. If it wasn't ever fresh and exciting for them than that raises questions as to why they invested in the game to begin with. Adding a 'jump potion' for players who have already completed the 2.0 and 3.0 story wouldn't be terrible - it'd allow people to invest more in alts and still ensure that the developers make an additional profit without compromising the game to the extent they would if they were to add a way for new players to skip everything.

[Neophyte]

Edit : i can't believe you'r actually happy about that

I just don't care, why someone is bad. I have to deal with bad players all the time, just go alex normal and almost no one plays on a level even remotly close to an 'advanced or more professional level' you should expect after 100, 200 or 300 hours of playtime...

Right now they could have bought the account or overtook it, been carrried through everything unsynched or they could just not learn anything on purpose or they played 'till 60 as tank and switched to healer/dps right after and leveld this job with fates and PotD.

You can't tell the difference and I don't care.

But I assume fresh players are more willing to learn than players who adapted bad habits for more than 100h.

[Lewtskie]

How many more ice mage will we get ?

Same percentage of players who already do the Ice Mage thing.

How many more SMN that do not manage their pet ?

Same percentage of players who already don't know how to manage their pets.

How many more strength WAR ?

The same percentage that-Actually, no, all three of these examples were absolutely terrible. Seriously? You bring up the Ice Mage thing as a legit example? AND the WARs who purposefully would stack STR? Are you actually trying to make valid points or are you just another person you sits around on and kinda hears people mention things and echos them because you just don't understand?

Edit : i can't believe you'r actually happy about that

There are only so few who are truly ecstatic about the pots. The rest of us don't care or are thinking how people and players actually function in this game. "Suddenly all the games populations will be the bads and not do things right!" What makes a person good at what they do is how much they actually care. Dragging through 100+ dungeon runs won't make someone care anymore or less. Main Story sure as shit aint gonna do that either. If someone is actually conscious about doing things right, they'll make sure they are ready, how they got there be damned.

[Celef]

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Oh and could you tell me why my examples are bad considering you seem to have noticed something I did not ?

The 60 levels act as a filter imho, if someone is interested enought he'll take the time and put effort in leveling his toon. With an insta potion, everyone, even the guys who saw light and decided to give it a try without caring about anything will join duty. Some may be and probably will be good but how many ? It just looks like a new cash grab in my eyes