Jump Potion...again

[Lewtskie]

How many more ice mage will we get ?

Same percentage of players who already do the Ice Mage thing.

How many more SMN that do not manage their pet ?

Same percentage of players who already don't know how to manage their pets.

How many more strength WAR ?

The same percentage that-Actually, no, all three of these examples were absolutely terrible. Seriously? You bring up the Ice Mage thing as a legit example? AND the WARs who purposefully would stack STR? Are you actually trying to make valid points or are you just another person you sits around on and kinda hears people mention things and echos them because you just don't understand?

Edit : i can't believe you'r actually happy about that

There are only so few who are truly ecstatic about the pots. The rest of us don't care or are thinking how people and players actually function in this game. "Suddenly all the games populations will be the bads and not do things right!" What makes a person good at what they do is how much they actually care. Dragging through 100+ dungeon runs won't make someone care anymore or less. Main Story sure as shit aint gonna do that either. If someone is actually conscious about doing things right, they'll make sure they are ready, how they got there be damned.

[Celef]

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Oh and could you tell me why my examples are bad considering you seem to have noticed something I did not ?

The 60 levels act as a filter imho, if someone is interested enought he'll take the time and put effort in leveling his toon. With an insta potion, everyone, even the guys who saw light and decided to give it a try without caring about anything will join duty. Some may be and probably will be good but how many ? It just looks like a new cash grab in my eyes

[ReplicaX]

Edit : i can't believe you'r actually happy about that

From having played MMOs for 16 years I've dealt with plenty of change. I adapt to certain things and move forward. I've achieved many things before they were changed in the future. The accomplishments themselves, some taking multiple years, don't change. Other players didn't get the experiences, challenges, and memories I have.

• In XI, there were plenty of ppl that bought their way to a relic or cleared CoP after its initial systems and mechanics changed.
• In 1.0, I experienced things 2.0 players will likely never see.
• My 1.0 Legacy items have meaning and memories behind them, not just simple glamour or bragging rights.
• 2.0 - 2.5 I helped many new 2.0 and returning 1.0 players of various skill as much as their were willing to learn with HM/EX to coil on 2 characters.

I do not get worked up on changes, especially with so little details so far. With the potions its no surprise to me, as I expected them at some point with the way the industry has been changing.

The point is, for 16 yrs I've dealt with different player skills. My like-minded and skilled friends and groups I've met along the way were there. I have even more in-game tools and systems at my disposal now than I ever did for specific content needs.

There is skill in the job/class you are playing, but also the learning of the content thrown at us as well. I have always helped ppl willing to learn. For players I can't help for various reasons, I have a ToS to follow and utilize properly.

The reason why I brought up specific experiences and meaning, is that is what matters to me. A new jump potion player will never have those.

[Yasuhiro]

a lvl 60 toon.

Toon

I have more of an issue with that than level 60 jump potions tbqh

[Celef]

I don't know about you, but I would rather the potion.

And I'de rather not be forced to hold by the hand SE new money grab :/

I have more of an issue with that than level 60 jump potions tbqh

Did not get that but english not being my mother tongue I might have done a lexical mistake ?

[Theodric]

I can understand seasoned players finding low level content 'boring' yet they really need to think back to the days when they, too, were new and everything was fresh and exciting. If it wasn't ever fresh and exciting for them than that raises questions as to why they invested in the game to begin with. Adding a 'jump potion' for players who have already completed the 2.0 and 3.0 story wouldn't be terrible - it'd allow people to invest more in alts and still ensure that the developers make an additional profit without compromising the game to the extent they would if they were to add a way for new players to skip everything.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Like I said, do not care about them skiping the MSQ, having issue with them being given a lvl 60 toon with just a click.
How many more ice mage will we get ?
How many more SMN that do not manage their pet ?
How many more strenght WAR ?

Edit : i can't believe you'r actually happy about that

We're not "happy" about it. We accept the current progression system is extremely flawed. New players are the lifeblood of any MMO, and they will not pick up FFXIV if they have to slog through over 500 quests. A skip was inevitable the instant FFXIV opted to gates its content this way for the precise reason WoW did it. Your average gamer purchasing Stormblood isn't going to necessarily want to spend a 100 hours doing old content to finally play the actual game they bought. This is especially true for people who have next to no interest in the story. Unfortunately, there is no feasible way to separate an instant 50-60 jump and MSQ. The devs have outright admitted it'd require a complete overhaul to their current infrastructure due to how content is flagged. So either we accept a skip potion or advocate a sizable portion of Stormblood's budget be allocated to content we will never see. I don't know about you, but I would rather the potion.

I can understand seasoned players finding low level content 'boring' yet they really need to think back to the days when they, too, were new and everything was fresh and exciting. If it wasn't ever fresh and exciting for them than that raises questions as to why they invested in the game to begin with. Adding a 'jump potion' for players who have already completed the 2.0 and 3.0 story wouldn't be terrible - it'd allow people to invest more in alts and still ensure that the developers make an additional profit without compromising the game to the extent they would if they were to add a way for new players to skip everything.

That defeats the entire purpose. Alts are only beneficial to omni-crafters, hardcore raiders or RPers. There is literally nothing you'll benefit from by leveling another character if you aren't in any of those categories. For people who only have interest in the endgame, they aren't going to slog through 500+ quests of what they perceive "boring" content. They'll simply pick up another game they can jump into without the massive grind.

As for seasoned players. We have roulettes, Wondrous Tales and whatnot to keep old content populated. Eventually, you still need to gravitate away from it. Say what you want about thinking back to our new player days. I play games for my own enjoyment. I'll certainly help out new players wherever I can, but if I'm no longer having fun. I will move on to another game. For many players, being forced back into content nearly four years old is no longer fun.

[Theodric]

No, it won't be the 'same percentage' at all. Let's not be dishonest about this. Yes, there's players at the moment who don't pay attention to their rotation or mechanics. Nobody is contesting that - the concern is that inevitably players skipping large portions of content will result in more players having a poor understanding of the game. Say what you will about the levelling process but it does, at least, encourage players to learn something during their journey. Buying their way into the endgame scene doesn't.

This exact same situation has already played out within WoW anyway. Thus why a lot of us feel so strongly about it. We've seen the effects, the slippery slope it leads to and the apathy of 'it doesn't affect me'.

[Lewtskie]

Oh and could you tell me why my examples are bad considering you seem to have noticed something I did not ?

Because you are actually trying to legit tell me someone is playing a BLM and ONLY using Ice Spells because they don't know any better? You are seriously saying that at any point they played BLM they never once looked at their tooltips and their traits or used a fire spell? That they never once did anything but use Ice spells out of innocent curiosity? No, they truly never thought no other abilities existed. And you are saying that this is 100% the only thing that can happen if a person uses a jump pot?


These are tremendous leaps and bounds of logic here.

No, it won't be the 'same percentage' at all. Let's not be dishonest about this. Yes, there's players at the moment who don't pay attention to their rotation or mechanics. Nobody is contesting that - the concern is that inevitably players skipping large portions of content will result in more players having a poor understanding of the game. Say what you will about the levelling process but it does, at least, encourage players to learn something during their journey. Buying their way into the endgame scene doesn't.

This exact same situation has already played out within WoW anyway. Thus why a lot of us feel so strongly about it. We've seen the effects, the slippery slope it leads to and the apathy of 'it doesn't affect me'.

You aren't contesting the fact but you sure do like to put it to the wayside when it doesn't favor your argument. If the leveling process were a perfect system and ensured everyone capable and willing to perform at their best all the time, then you'd have an argument. But it doesn't, and so you don't. There is absolutely no guarantee that the pot will ensure a player is bad, especially if they come with experience from another game that has any resemblance of a concept with the trinity or enmity and dps generation.

WoW always had terrible players, but you would deal with them and move on. Only when changes to the game made you realize that not every player was the best did those bad players suddenly become a lot more noticeable, and harder to ignore. Because you suddenly had this one thing you could tie in to why there were bad. This magical scapegoat that appeared that possibly had no relation to their inferior skills whatsoever! Of course you wouldn't know that, but it was out in the open and advertised so you latched onto to it and now suddenly every terrible player clearly was because boosts and poor balancing.

If a player turns out bad at a game, they were always going to be bad. It doesn't make someone who's good suddenly worse.

[Celef]

Because you are actually trying to legit tell me someone is playing a BLM and ONLY using Ice Spells because they don't know any better? You are seriously saying that at any point they played BLM they never once looked at their tooltips and their traits or used a fire spell? That they never once did anything but use Ice spells out of innocent curiosity?

How could they if they ding 60 and insta queue to do the end game content ?