[Newbie] AST stat priority and Meld questions

[Cynfael]

I was replying to Cynfael. I was essentially saying that SS is better than Det. Crit will always be king.

I respect your opinion, I just disagree because I see SpS as being useful only for DoTs and HoTs while DET at least affects the potency of all spells. ACC and CRT are my primary choices, the latter specifically for SCH and AST shielding.

P.S. Are we sure that Shadowflare benefits from SpS? Seems like it could go either way as a persistent area damage.

[Rawrz]

I respect your opinion, I just disagree because I see SpS as being useful only for DoTs and HoTs while DET at least affects the potency of all spells. ACC and CRT are my primary choices, the latter specifically for SCH and AST shielding.

P.S. Are we sure that Shadowflare benefits from SpS? Seems like it could go either way as a persistent area damage.

I meant that it benefits in the same way that a Fire IV benefits: % reduced from a longer cast (3s vs 2.5) is going to be a larger amount of time saved. I don't really find myself waiting to cast something, even while having to precast. You just broil or ruin II up to the point that it's necessary to heal. O.O

[Cynfael]

I meant that it benefits in the same way that a Fire IV benefits: % reduced from a longer cast (3s vs 2.5) is going to be a larger amount of time saved. I don't really find myself waiting to cast something, even while having to precast. You just broil or ruin II up to the point that it's necessary to heal. O.O

Waiting to cast is a sin :P

What I meant is that you have to chain a lot of casts together to make additional spell speed result in additional casts. Because BLMs are designed to turret and cast nukes for as long as possible with efficient and minimal movement, this works for them.

Healers, on the other hand, rarely get to cast like this if they are actually needing to heal at all, and heals themselves are not chain-cast in this manner, so I don't perceive a significant DPS or healing benefit to stacking spell speed as a healer, which you would have to do to a large degree to see any noticeable (and debatable) benefit.

[Tiva]

I respect your opinion, I just disagree because I see SpS as being useful only for DoTs and HoTs while DET at least affects the potency of all spells. ACC and CRT are my primary choices, the latter specifically for SCH and AST shielding.

P.S. Are we sure that Shadowflare benefits from SpS? Seems like it could go either way as a persistent area damage.

The stat weights for DPS on sch and whm are known thanks to dervy. And this is what most raiding healers will be looking for.. how to do the most dps.We aren't really concerned with how to get more healing potency... if we mess up healing it's usually more about mis-managing skills or getting behind on GCDs and timing.. not really about how much potency the heal has.

For dps-
Whm
WD: 9.128
INT: 1.000
DET: 0.159
CRT: 0.182
SS: 0.135
Acc: Cap it

Sch
WD: 9.128
INT: 1.000
DET: 0.190
CRT: 0.266
SS: 0.316 – 0.366
Acc: Cap it

Astrologian hasn't been done, but tbh it is probably similar. Healer stat priority for raiding is: Int > Acc to cap > Crit > SS > Det. I have never seen any raider meld piety. What is on the gear is typically more than enough. If OP is a casual player, melding piety may be viable... but I don't recommend it. If you OOM it is probably much more likely that you are misusing your skills. Especially on astro, thier MP regen buff was ridiculous. If the OP is never ever going to step into a raid, I'd recommend melding crit and SS. But if they are ever going to do EX primals or Savage, just go for acc cap.

[ChiiSoSeriouz]

Int > Acc to cap > Crit > SS > Det. I have never seen any raider meld piety. What is on the gear is typically more than enough. If OP is a casual player, melding piety may be viable... but I don't recommend it. If you OOM it is probably much more likely that you are misusing your skills. Especially on astro, thier MP regen buff was ridiculous. .

I'm going to assume int is a typo. Acc to cap then crit is right but i would take det over spell speed cause sps gains are lost immediately when you hold a cast to time it for a tank buster, or have to raise. Piety is viable for white mages that dps a lot. Your reasoning that it's only viable in casual content doesn't make sense cause how do you run oom in casual content? A dps'ing white mage can get by with proper cd management in long encounters but it can get tight depending on the instance and if there were any raises. As long as you have enough vit extra pie is good. Asts can just LA+Celestial.