Proposal for 3.4 BiS for War.

[EdgeFayth]

Hi there!
Regarding the new equipments in the 3.4 patch, I tried to make a new BiS for the War.
It is not that simple to make BiS at the moment since we don't know the acc caps yet. Nevertheless, I made a rough estimation regarding the previous caps:
Acc cap A4S: 647
Acc cap A8S: 705
Acc cap A12S? it seems the SSS dummies have the same acc requirements as the real fights, and people tried, se here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme..._accuracy_cap/

Seems the requirements are just a bit more than for A8S! 715 would be enough actually!

How did I made this build...
We want to:
- reach the acc cap, in order to hit 100% times.
- maximize the ilvl of the weapon, since WD is really important
- reach an acceptable number of SkS in order to get 9 GCD under Berserk. Note that this is really latency dependent. If you live close to the servers and have an amazing ping, ~500 is actually sufficient...
- maximize main stats (Str, Vit)
- maximize the secondary stats with crit>det~sks>>>par. We will try to minimize Parry, which is a pure dps loss for the moment. I really wish a revamp of this stat. Looking forward 4.0... I used the stat weight by Dervy for that (here: https://dervyxiv.wordpress.com/stat-weights/ )

Regarding all these parameters, I obtained the following build (no dps right side):

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/VRCR

With these stats for an Highander:
ilvl: 270. Str:1223. Acc: 750. Crit: 1020. Det: 623. SkS: 699. Vit:1805 (so 35783 HP). Par: 413.

If we are OK to use dps right sides (so losing vit):

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/VRDX

With these stats for an Highander:
ilvl: 270. Str:1286. Acc: 750. Crit: 1037. Det: 673. SkS: 699. Vit:1732 (so 34287 HP). Par: 354.
It removes the token ring (which has parry) and replaced it with the alex str ring. Slightly better in term of dps, but we lose 73 vit points.

Did you find a better one?

Fayth

edit: changed regarding news about acc cap via SSS.

[SpookyGhost]

ACC cap for A12S is like 710~720 according to the A12S SSS dummy.

[aleph_null]

Cap for A8S was 699 frontal, and from what we've heard A12S is around 710-720 as spooky mentioned. Swap the savage necklace for the tomestone one to end up with 750 accu (that's the most straightforward potential BiS obtained by avoiding parry gears). You also don't have str v materias on some of your accessories in the links you posted.

Using the old stat weights from 3.2 I haven't figured a way to use the savage chest piece to get higher total weight since we have to make up for that huge accuracy loss, and from a quick glance it seems like the crafted accessories don't have better weights than the i270 ones unless you overmeld with materia v.

[EdgeFayth]

Aleph: thanks. I found a link on Reddit,a nd yes, seems the A12S cap is around 715. So I updated the BiS. Sorry, wrong C/P, I fixed the STR mats on right side.
Nevertheless:

Using the old stat weights from 3.2 I haven't figured a way to use the savage chest piece to get higher total weight since we have to make up for that huge accuracy loss

I disagree with that. Acc cap is so low you don't need the acc from the body. It gives par, which is not that good, but otherwise we are over capped in acc (my previous build was at 800ish). With some mat, we can reach 715 easily (see my build) without losing crit. If you found a better total weight, please let me know!

[Brian_]

If you click on the BiS solver, you can turn on stat weights.

The thing you are not understanding is that parry on your chest piece is a net loss in useful secondaries. It doesn't really matter what gear you use. You have the same max primary / secondary stat budgeting. Parry wastes a portion of that budget. If you use the tomestone chest-piece instead, you can use the ACC from the chest slot to drop ACC from other gear in favor of crit / det / ss.

As for there being a better set-up, almost definitely, but we're going to need to see how hard the content hits first. In Midas, you could afford to wear a piece or two of Slaying right side and some Slaying pieces have better DPS stat weighting.

[EdgeFayth]

If we use the token body, we cannot really go below 750 acc.
In that case, you get this build:

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/VRCR

With these stats for an Highander:
ilvl: 270. Str:1223. Acc: 750. Crit: 1020. Det: 623. SkS: 699. Vit:1805 (so 35783 HP). Par: 413.

The stats difference is: +34 (useless) acc, -147 crit, +51 det, +157 sks, -90 par.
The weight difference is (using Dervy's data): ~+40.
That's better, thats right. I don't really like the high SkS, the crit loss and the useless acc, but right, it is possible! I update (again).
Thanks!


edit @ Brian. I didnt know the auto BiS solver stuff, was doing by hand... Well, thanks!
I tried with no str right side (pure vit), and got the build I posted as a BiS.
Then I tried again allowing the str right side, and got this build:

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/VRDX

With these stats for an Highander:
ilvl: 270. Str:1286. Acc: 750. Crit: 1037. Det: 673. SkS: 699. Vit:1732 (so 34287 HP). Par: 354.
It removes the token ring (which has parry) and replaced it with the alex str ring. Slightly better in term of dps, but we lose 73 vit points.

[PrincessNuri]

Full augmented savage set is better than full augmented script set? Assuming I don't bother mixing up pieces...

[Edgedy]

My concern is the lack of determination may directly effect my ability to hold aggro as a Paladin/Dark Knight.

[aleph_null]

700ish sks is not "too high" especially on a warrior which has no TP issues. With arrow card or fey wind that allows you to use fracture before double fell cleave in certain openers to let it get buffed by IR and/or potion (if your sks is too low, using butcher's block combo, fracture and 2x fell cleaves means losing eye debuff before you reapply it, which is a 27 potency loss excluding buffs).

The problem with using savage chest is that the extra accu on the scrip chest is not completely useless (unlike the case in 3.2 where lore belt was better than midas belt since the accu is completely useless). Out of the 129 accu only around 30 is over the cap, which means that you have to make up for that nearly 100 accu from somewhere else, and in this case due to the limited options, it doesn't seem to be possible to do that while obtaining higher total stat weights. It's a tradeoff of 30 useless accu against 90 useless parry.

[Dement]

With A12S already down in much much lower gear, I find it unlikely that the additional 1496 HP you'd get from the Shire Ring would ever be critical enough to make or break a fight for even midcore groups. As such, I'll be aiming for the Alexandrian Ring of Slaying.