Cap Crit or Det for Monk + Acc cap?

[Bartleby]

Hmm not really even if u use 2 accessories with accuracy you can hit the stat cap of your most important stats in pvp so its a waste even if you mainly pvp.

Well first of all, if you put stats into Accuracy on your weapon, that means you don't need accuracy accessories; ergo, you can have more crit/det on your accessories.

But honestly, I don't know how you can argue that it's wasted on PvP when you compare it to PvE... if you raid you get a better weapon much faster, raiders got i260+ weapons weeks ago, heck even Sophia weapons which are really easy to get were out for over a month before relic was i260. And if you don't raid... then what's the point of optimizing it for PvE? You get an i260 weapon just for doing A12 once a week and there's no point in wasting so much time to make a weapon that you only use for Expert Roulettes (not to mention that an i260 relic with PvP stats on it is STILL much better than i240/most i255 weapons simply because of its weapon damage).

IMO a PvP distribution is the only real value relics have. No other weapon lets you maximize your substats in 4 different categories.

[Nakanishi]

Relics Designed for PvP are the Best PvP weapons and are usually made by players who intend to focus on PvP.

(Assuming all gear is i190+, and all left side is crit/det)

Relic Build:
Weapon - Max:Crit/Det/Acc/Sks
Accessory 1 - Acc/Crit
Accessory 2 - Crit/Det
Accessory 3 - Crit/Det
Accessory 4 - Crit/Det
Accessory 5 - Crit/Det

Non-relic Build:
Weapon - Max: Crit/Det
Accessory 1 - Acc/Crit
Accessory 2 - Acc/Crit
Accessory 3 - Acc/Crit
Accessory 4 - Crit/Det
Accessory 5 - Crit/Det

The relic build garners more DET/SKS by adding the additional SKS from the relic, and by allowing one to forgo 2 Accessories with accuracy to reach the minimum 410 synced down acc cap.

Alternative Non-Relic Build:
Weapon - Crit/Det
Head,Hands, or Feet (1 of them) - Acc/Crit
Accessory 1 - Acc/Crit
Accessory 2 - Crit/Det
Accessory 3 - Crit/Det
Accessory 4 - Crit/Det
Accessory 5 - Crit/Det

This alternative setup puts you exactly at the minimum accuracy of 410, while instead of requiring 3 acc pieces, only needing 2, gaining more DET overall.

You may go with just 2 accessories with accuracy (non-relic set), it's slightly below the min-acc. Shouldn't miss often.

[TiaHariberux3]

Calls things "usual" I have never seen a pvper who build relic around pvp its not worth the effort and you basically gain nothing

[Zojha]

[...] and you basically gain nothing

With the current stat weights...you gain roughly 9-10 more of your main stat on your average DPS in det (46 synced, since you still need 1 acc accessory) you otherwise would have to forego for accuracy. That's disregarding the skill/spell speed entirely since it doesn't help your burst and assuming you always go for crit as the second stat.

It's not a gamebreaking advantage, but neither is ignoring stats entirely and yolo-ing through with a random assortment of stats - small things add up. And yes, if a PvP relic is made, it is usually made by a person who is regularly engaging in PvP or intending to. That's a true statement. If you want to prove it false, you'd have to find more players that don't intend to engage in PvP that optimize their relic for PvP than people who optimize their relic for PvP but do intend to engage in PvP. Good luck!

[TiaHariberux3]

And yes, if a PvP relic is made, it is usually made by a person who is regularly engaging in PvP or intending to. That's a true statement.

It is true but if you consider that almost no one (I dont know a single person) of the pvpers build relics around pvp its kinda bad to bring the idea even up. You realize to get custom stats you need to complete atleast the 240 relic which is a pain. Just pointless to do that if you could just max stats and hit accuracy cap otherwise. Call me 2 regular pvpers who use a relic build around pvp. There is a reason why no one using it.

Btw its just logic that someone who does smth for pvp actually pvps lol

[Bartleby]

You can easily build BiS for pvp that is as good as ur gear set with relic just the one without relic is much less effort.

A pvp build with a relic specced for PvP his literally +60 more crit (or det if you prefer) than a pvp build without a relic specced for PvP. You don't seem to understand that if you have extra stats on your weapon it means you can build more stats in other places (usually accessories)...

If you want you can post your PvP set w/o a pvp specced weapon and I will post a PvP set with said relic weapon PvP specced that the set with the PvP weapon has higher crit/det than the set w/o it.

And like I said in a previous post, what's the point in making a PvE specced weapon if you're just going to be doing Expert Roulettes with it?

Bonus: My WHM relic weapon specced for PvP. Only ~50 umbrite away from my DRG weapon next.

[Nakanishi]

Calls things "usual" I have never seen a pvper who build relic around pvp its not worth the effort and you basically gain nothing

You gain a lot tbh. Also, look at aether's current #1 gear. He isn't the only one either, you need to be a little bit more observant.

[TiaHariberux3]

If you want you can post your PvP set w/o a pvp specced weapon and I will post a PvP set with said relic weapon PvP specced that the set with the PvP weapon has higher crit/det than the set w/o it.

I talked about tanks and dps.

so outside of pvp

same set inside of pvp



see? your "more crit" doesnt make a difference lel the only thing u lose is abit of det which isnt that big of a deal

You gain a lot tbh. Also, look at aether's current #1 gear. He isn't the only one either, you need to be a little bit more observant.

Well excluding the healers its pretty rare for a reason and its not "alot". Lets not forget OP is new not even experienced player need this don't act like its "alot" as if it was a huge advantage over other players.

[P4X0R10N]

What are you talking about? There's nothing to compare ur stats to.

Where's the pic with ur optimized relic?

[Bartleby]

see? your "more crit" doesnt make a difference lel

Swap in customized relic with maxed Crit/det/accuracy.
Swap out 2 of your accessories with det/accuracy (or crit/accuracy) for crit/det.

Congratulations you still maintain accuracy cap while getting an extra +60 crit or w/e.