Thread: 3.5/4.0 Speculation & Discussion (Spoilers)

Originally Posted by Cilia

Here comes a new challenger! Time to turn up the heat!

I think you may have overcooked it a bit, lol.

The spirit I agree with; you answered a few counter points how I would have, for starters; but the defense seems to go a bit too far in that specifics seem to over-reach and contradict themselves.

Originally Posted by Cilia

Just because you don't agree with a nation's system of governance doesn't mean you have the right to take away their freedom and dictate how they should live.

Originally Posted by Cilia

The Garleans don't need confidence in Eorzean methods, but unless Eorzean actions are being directly harmful to Garlemald or its citizens there is no justification for their repeated attempts to take away Eorzean liberty.

The Garleans are convinced that the world is going to end. Garlemald is part of the world. They believe that invasion of other nations and eradication of things that put the world at risk is not only self-defense, but the responsibility of those strong enough to do so. It is a righteous calling. They're wrong, and they're going about it wrong to boot, but it's what they believe.

Taken in its entirety, Gaius speech has nothing to do with "disagreeing with governance". It's a warped chain of logic:

1. False gods kill the planet.
2. Eorzea worships false gods.
3. Eorzea's worship of false gods is due to its weak leadership.
4. By killing you, it will show that I am strong.
5. Without you in the way, I can overthrow Eorzean leadership.
6. With strong me in charge of Eorzea, Eorzea will have no use for false gods.
7. Without false gods Eorzea will be no threat to the planet.
8. I must conquer Eorzea to save the planet.

Originally Posted by Cilia

Furthermore, as we now know anyone and everyone is capable of summoning a Primal with enough aether and a fervent wish, so to completely remove the threat of Primals would require cleansing Hydaelyn of all life. I'm sure everyone doesn't need to be told how that isn't an acceptable solution.

Garlemald is already in the wrong; we don't need to misrepresent them by exaggerating their approach. Capability is not intent. The Garleans target those with intent, and then everyone associated with them gets taken along for the ride. That's a bit closer to "a few bad apples spoil the bunch" than "wipe out eveyone even remotely capable of doing the things we don't like."

Originally Posted by Cilia

The Garleans don't need to have confidence Eorzean methods. As long as Eorzea is handling its own problems and not causing danger or damage to Garlean people or territory, they have no right to military intervention

Who judges how well Eorzea is handling its problems? I mean, the Warrior of Light is doing a pretty great job and Garlemald would botch it, objectively. But do they have no reason to disagree with that sentiment? Look at the 4.0 previews.

LOTS AND LOTS OF NEW PRIMALS

They last time they didn't get the job done fast enough, the Seventh Umbral Calamity happened. Imagine if Louisoix hadn't cleaned that up. They think they can do better. They're wrong, but they do.

Originally Posted by Cilia

Primal summonings are indirectly harmful to Garlemald unless it's on Garlean turf.

I disagree. Primals are how the Ascians give power to the desperate and escalate conflicts. Conflicts lead to Calamities. Calamities have the potential to impact the entire world (and destroy entire other realms).

It's like saying the New World had no stake in the War of the Magi because it was on another continent. How many cities were destroyed all over the world by rising sea levels because of what has happening on someone else's turf?

That's not to say Garlemald isn't still wrong - they think they de-escalate conflict, but they just put a lid on it and let it pressurize. The inspire desperation and hate. Putting Ala Mhigo in a box didn't work any better than putting Bahamut in a box.

But being confident in your ideology doesn't make their ideology vanish. Both ideologies are worthless in comparison to the Warrior of Light actually de-escalating conflicts and attacking the roots of Ascian influence.