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    While it's beyond doubt that the (False) Griffin's opinion of Zenos is heavily biased, his word is all we have about Zenos so far... and as you know, it's not flattering at all. I'm not the type to judge a person as good or bad before getting to know them, though, and whatever plans Zenos has yet remain completely in the dark. We've only gotten the barest glimpse of him in-game, in the 3.5 trailer!

    ... that said, just because he's the Legatus of the XIIth Legion doesn't mean he'll be an analogue to a major character or antagonist from XII. We don't know if Regula is going to be an analogue to a VI character, though that's widely speculated to be the case. While Nael had some conspicuous similarities to Sephiroth, aside from being on a floating continent with the Warring Triad we don't really have any major similarities between Regula and any VI character that I know of. Yet. That could change in 3.5 but until we know it is... going to... err...

    It could be that Zenos is actually a good person pretending to be a tyrant so once he's made Emperor he can reform the Empire and liberate all the conquered territories. Perhaps he knows about the Ascians and is working on some complex scheme to free history from their reins what requires him to be a douche until he pulls it off. Or perhaps he really is just an iron-heeled tyrant and the XIIth Legion is just representative of the moral ambiguity surrounding the Resistance factions and revolution in general. Time will tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PArcher View Post
    Just to play with this more, I bet how people feel about the Empire really comes down to which Legion conquered them.
    This could be a pretty meaningful observation. (And who rules them after, of course.) Garleans, Ala Mhigans, and Resistance alike seemed united in saying that the tone of the Western Theatre changed once "Nael" van Darnus assumed control of it. There might not be much oversight until it's deemed necessary; each territory might reflect its unique rule, better or worse. Recall that the VIth faced little dissent and got along so famously with their occupied territories that they took bribes as a militia-for-rent ... until it eroded their integrity.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    I'm still confused by the claim that Zenos is 'evil' given that he's in charge of the XIIth Legion.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    It could be that Zenos is actually a good person pretending to be a tyrant
    As Belhi said, the main "Zenos is actually evil." arises from Naoki Yoshida himself.

    Gaius was apparently never supposed to be sympathetic, they just accidentally created the perfect storm to stoke that sentiment. 1.00 introduced him as literally Judge Vader. He was brutal, he was badass, and he murdered everyone Minfilia assigned you to help when the Path of the Twelve stumbled upon an Ala Mhigan Resistance operation. Then someone flashier, more brutal, with less principle, mercy, and sanity showed up and abused him for several patches before Gaius threw him into a laser shaft betrayed him to the Alliance for bringing dishonor to Garlemald and deceiving the Emperor. Then SE got to sit back and watch as people proclaimed, "Hell, yeah! Wolfy is back! Team Greater Good! BFFs!", which wasn't quelled very much when some people couldn't really get behind the GC leadership.

    They almost made him hateful again throughout ARR, but it turned out that he'd never recovered from his fall from grace in the first place and was trying to outmaneuver another really awful choice for a Garlean leadership figure. So Gaius, still pathetically desperate to reclaim his honor and position, teamed up with the Ascians and got tossed aside when his goals weren't even really ever on the table. Meanwhile being pretty much correct in most of his statements: Your leaders are weak. Your lands are plagued in false beliefs. More primals are coming. Go ahead and summon your gods, watch how well that works out for you. So now we've got Varis Repeat-Allag's-Mistakes zos Galvus and a certain faction of public sentiment, myself included, stuck with this sense of "This guy's a threat to The Mission and Garlean honor both! Where my Wolf at!? It's greater good time! You can still be great!"

    Yoshida seems to want to avoid that entirely, lol. (Not that there's no room for a "Larsa" someday.)

    Famitsu
    You also said that Zenos will have a unique personality compared to the previous generals. Is there anything you can tell us about that?

    Yoshida
    I will just say that he will be a character which no one will sympathize with.

    Famitsu
    It seems like he holds a katana. By some chance, does he…?

    Yoshida
    His weapon has nothing to do with his personality, but if you’re asking if it’s a gunblade then yes, it is. Try to look at his art again (laugh). We received a lot of thoughts from players that they wanted to work for Gaius because the 3 cities were “brown noses” so they couldn’t bring themselves to like them. In case of Zenos, I think no one will think of him like that. (laugh) He’s a type of villain you haven’t seen so far.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
    While Nael had some conspicuous similarities to Sephiroth, aside from being on a floating continent with the Warring Triad we don't really have any major similarities between Regula and any VI character that I know of.
    There are some potential Kefka nods, but they seem pretty subtle. The most obvious of which being that the Ceruleum Servant he summoned was a tiger, one of the enemies used in Kefka's Tower. Idk where it's going, but I'm pretty sure he's not getting out of 3.5 alive.
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    He definitely dies now. His story will end with 3.5

    As for Nael and her occupation of Othard.. Ivalice might be a place within Othard. So inless we go to the real Ivalice we might actually see for ourselves how Othard looks. Granted Nael is long dead, but a few echo visions would be nice.
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    I know many people have been looking for comparisons to Kefka and/or hoping the triad ends with a tower of the gods type of battle. Although there are some nods, I feel regula has shown himself to be both sane and extremely loyal to the empire.

    The only way I can see the story coming around to a Kefka ending would be if they incorporate the proto-ultima trial we are supposed to be getting into the warring triad arc. I heard many of those who tried the fight claim it was very easy. It would be more difficult if it utilized moves from the triad similar to expert ultima.

    I could see Regula taking control of the machine for the empire. Perhaps he finds a way to absorb lingering aether of the triad unto the machine. Maybe the reason the proto ultima was not the final weapon was due to the inability of the machine to protect the operator from exposure to primal aether. It could be a convenient way to tie up the loose ends, give us a tower fight, and call back to vi.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Regavalt View Post
    The only way I can see the story coming around to a Kefka ending would be if they incorporate the proto-ultima trial we are supposed to be getting into the warring triad arc. I heard many of those who tried the fight claim it was very easy. It would be more difficult if it utilized moves from the triad similar to expert ultima.

    I could see Regula taking control of the machine for the empire. Perhaps he finds a way to absorb lingering aether of the triad unto the machine. Maybe the reason the proto ultima was not the final weapon was due to the inability of the machine to protect the operator from exposure to primal aether. It could be a convenient way to tie up the loose ends, give us a tower fight, and call back to vi.
    That might actually happen. Last fan fest gave us the Odin trial and it ended up in the last ARR patch. Personally I only need one more thing for Regula to have in common with Kefka. Being dead.
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    I'm actually hoping that neither Regula or Varis die. Not only are they tied to the main story but they're both major players with a lot of potential. Having Regula (or Varis) go crazy for the sake of a 'Kefka' reference feels very off to me. I'd prefer them to succeed at gathering resources from Azyz Lla and serve as long term rather than temporary antagonists. Regula has the potential to be a 'Beatrix', 'Drace' or 'Gabranth' - which is something we're desperately in need of. It's also getting a bit predictable and tiresome for Garleans to become unhinged and crazy at this point. Especially when the protagonists are allowed to operate Allagan technology or stand around Primals/Eikons with absolutely no negative consequences on their part.

    It's also possible that Regula will die through tragic circumstances (a recent trend has been for 'sad deaths' for antagonists, after all) but it'd at least be better if he dies saving the Emperor's life and giving Varis a personal reason to hate the Scions and Warrior of Light. If his best friend - and son - end up dead at their hands then that raises the stakes and pretty much adds some pretty major shades of grey.

    Elidibus having a servant involved with all the craziness going on in Azyz Lla doesn't bode well, however. I do think that somehow the Scions and Warrior of Light will be tricked into doing something very stupid. Or perhaps Unukali will be the 'Kefka' in the name of a misguided cause. Either way, if something big happens it desperately needs to tie in with the MSQ's.
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    I'm just tired of him after he pulled the same "gonna fight you and run away" trick three times. I just can't take him seriously as as threat. Let him get a noble death and pave the way for more compelling villains. Preferrably ones that are actually villainous, have a more nuanced personality than Nidhogg, and have their own musical themes beside the standard Garlean theme and a remix of Rise of the White Raven. Oh and make sure they have a more direct role in current events (looking at you, Elidibus).
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    Eh, I like Regula. That he survived a fight against the Warrior of Light on three separate occasions is a pretty huge deal when you consider just how tiresome the Hydaelyn's Blessing, The Echo and 'Cid's airship' have become as a means of evading any and all meaningful danger and consequences. I, too, want more compelling antagonists (not to be mistaken with 'irredeemable villains') but we're only going to get them if the 'get out of jail for free' plot devices for the Scions/Warrior of Light aren't just recycled over and over.

    We also need less 'dead but not really, just kidding' moments (such as with the Sultana and the majority of major Scions) and we need shades of grey where both the antagonists and protagonists are concerned. Having a few outright villains with no redeeming qualities is fine in moderation, of course.

    3.0 was already an improvement over 2.0 but if 4.0 moves to be bolder and doesn't resort to 'fake outs' or 'I betrayed you but not really' moments then it'll be even more impressive than 3.0.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    how tiresome the Hydaelyn's Blessing, The Echo and 'Cid's airship' have become as a means of evading any and all meaningful danger and consequences.
    Add "ally with no definite purpose after this arc making the ultimate sacrifice" to that list and the game might as well just end.

    Quote Originally Posted by Theodric View Post
    We also need less 'dead but not really, just kidding' moments
    I'm sorta with you, sorta not, on wanting people to die for realsies. I only want people to die if it has some sort of serious impact on the plot, and not because they "chose" it. But at the same time there's nobody I really want or could accept that to happening to, besides Minfilia, and hers was just so mishandled (and had a 'back for the finale' flag set anyway).

    Stuff like [redacted] getting killed in FFXV conveniently right after their powers became no longer needed by the plot is the sort of stuff I can't stand. Nobody dies that perfectly.
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    It's interesting how differently people can view the same story. Some of my friends are still annoyed over the fake outs of 2.55 and hoping the story gets darker with more actual deaths while other people I've talked to feel we lost so much in Heavensward that they don't want to see any more major exits anytime soon.
    I don't feel strongly about having more protagonist deaths but I do hope we don't have a repeat of 2.55 with fake outs for the sake of drama that don't amount to anything.

    I'm not expecting Zenos to be sympathetic or at least not intentionally. I suspect any Garlean allies we find will be working with us because they believe Zenos to be detrimental to Garlemald's interests and we may offer them some help if the Resistance goes too far.

    I hope we don't get Lahabrea or Gaius returning and I'd prefer if Regula was dealt with before Stormblood. Recurring villains just make me feel like we're not making any progress.
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