Thread: 3.5/4.0 Speculation & Discussion (Spoilers)

Do we actually have a frame of reference for Omega's size, though? We've only seen it flying through the sky and charging its Wave Cannon. We don't actually know how big it is yet, and using its size in previous entries as reference is probably inaccurate. Raubahn explicitly calls it a "hulk," so it can't be small. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's definitely bigger than Ultima Weapon was, but that's just idle speculation.

Considering four people are able to stand in its control room with plenty of elbow space, and Omega was able to tangle the likes of Bahamut, I don't think it's small. Does anyone have a frame of reference to compare Omega to? It could be bigger on the inside, too... space/time warping and all...

As for Ultima Weapon, it was destroyed at the end of 2.0, before the Isle of Val was destroyed. Urianger also said that the island was destroyed with a spell "likened to" Ultima (or something along those lines), meaning it might not have been an actual casting of Ultima - but considering it was an Ascian who cast it (Minfilia accuses Nabriales of this, and he doesn't deny it), it's not outside the realm of plausibility that one of the stronger overlords is capable of using Ultima even without the Heart of Sabik. More likely, though, it's not Ultima itself, but simply a spell similar in power and scope.

Whatever happens, it's not going to end well for us. Doesn't help the game is biased toward the Ascians' victory, but whatever.

You know I never thought Nero, Cid and Yda were inside Omega, but rather just some sort of control room (probably under Carteneau). Though, yeah, from the trailer alone ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

And while it's not the smartest to compare 2.5 and 3.5 trailers, it's the only precedent we have: there are clear lines labels between the Before the Fall Part I and Part II cutscenes shown. Given that 3.5 trailer doesn't have this makes me hope that maybe they haven't shown us anything from 3.52 yet.

The Griffin, using the aetherial threshold to summon a Primal? Erik would be proud..ish.

Originally Posted by EdwinLi

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I think they're using an entirely new model for Omega in XIV.
All of XIV's major enemies are redesigned for this game, it's just the generic mobs that are model ripped from XI, XII and XIII.

Also that Omega actually came from XIII-2 as DLC iirc, Mobius like XIV does just reused the model.
Who'd have thought XIV's treants also exist in Palmecia?

Originally Posted by Fenral

What iLv do you need to survive a hit from something like that?

Maybe we don't. Maybe the Wave Canon is like Shin Zantetsuken and nothing saves you from it. Maybe Hydaelin can, but you know. No item level gear or limit break.

Originally Posted by Cilia

Do we actually have a frame of reference for Omega's size, though? We've only seen it flying through the sky and charging its Wave Cannon. We don't actually know how big it is yet, and using its size in previous entries as reference is probably inaccurate. Raubahn explicitly calls it a "hulk," so it can't be small. I'm going to go out on a limb and say it's definitely bigger than Ultima Weapon was, but that's just idle speculation.

Considering four people are able to stand in its control room with plenty of elbow space, and Omega was able to tangle the likes of Bahamut, I don't think it's small. Does anyone have a frame of reference to compare Omega to? It could be bigger on the inside, too... space/time warping and all...

As for Ultima Weapon, it was destroyed at the end of 2.0, before the Isle of Val was destroyed. Urianger also said that the island was destroyed with a spell "likened to" Ultima (or something along those lines), meaning it might not have been an actual casting of Ultima - but considering it was an Ascian who cast it (Minfilia accuses Nabriales of this, and he doesn't deny it), it's not outside the realm of plausibility that one of the stronger overlords is capable of using Ultima even without the Heart of Sabik. More likely, though, it's not Ultima itself, but simply a spell similar in power and scope.

Whatever happens, it's not going to end well for us. Doesn't help the game is biased toward the Ascians' victory, but whatever.

The game is biased towards Ascian victory as they are the ultimate evil. Untill they bring back Zodiark that is. They need to stay relevant and scary. Although Yoshie-P did say that we will see less of the Ascians in 4.0
As for Omega's size we don't have a reerence for Omega's size, but whatever came out of the ocean did not make a large enough splash. I mean Bahamut was the size of a moon. Something that large would cause larger waves when emerging from the ocean. Besides, when he got his Phoenix powers Louisouix killed Bahamut with one punch, so size really doesn't matter. At any rate it seems the new raids will work differently. A welcome change.

Originally Posted by Belhi

You know, looking again at the trailer, I am starting to suspect that the explosion at the end isn't something the primal is doing or even necessarily the ritual failing. I think its Omega firing. If we combine it with that mountain with the hole through it in the stormblood screenshots, We might actually see across the Stormblood zones the path that shot carved. That going off would cause EVERYONE to go nuts.

Kinda like when the Sister Ray shot through Diamond Weapon and across half of Gaia to hit Sephiroth's barrier?


EDIT: Okay, apparently I am very dumb. Very very dumb. As it turns out Omega Weapon and Omega are two totally different enemies. I knida did not realize that untill I looked it up a few minutes ago. Omega Weapon is a lot like Ultima Weapon, just stronger. Omega on the other hand is a dimension traveling robot built by an ancient civilization to beat up a monstrous dragon. Sounds like this might be the origin of Omega. Like how Type-0 is where Gilgamesh began.

Heavensward morality was in my view more so on the nature of revenge and what revenge can do to people as a whole. The action of Thordan and his knights may have started the dragon's cycle of revenge, but Nidhogg's blind anger caused him to continue to lash out time and time against people who had nothing to do with the crime against his sister mostly because the dragons as a whole viewed everything on a drastically different timescale were incapable of separating Thordan and his knights from the rest of the people that came after them. The dragons endless slaughter then fueled Ishgard to its own desire for revenge and round and round it goes.

Stormblood seems to be looking like to me a tale of tyranny and revolution. On the one hand we are now dealing with decades of change rather then thousands of years of conflict like Heavensward had where the people of Ishgard had been lied to and didn't know the reason why they were being attacked. Many people clearly remember the fall of Ala Mhigo and the events that took place before it and are fueled by these actions. At this point due to the nature of the story so far we have only heard the view of the Garlean occupation from the side of the resistance who is intend on ending the occupation and has the occupation as a Tyrannical Force. Though I have no doubt the Garlean occupation is not exactly Rose Petals and Golden streets and is very much not a great group of people running the place there may be a entire different perspective from those living there. Say by some chance the Resistance did recall Ala Mhigo, would it be any better or would it descend even worse because it seems like the resistance up to this point hasn't consider that part of the question yet. Revolution can have its own consequences even it does manage to overthrow their target.

What have the Garleans ever done for us:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9foi342LXQE

But jokes aside the Eorzean Alliance formed to beat back Ala Mhigans in the first place, so they weren't exactly nice people. And now G-man is sacreficing armies of Eorzeans to fule a primal summoning.
Of course so far the Scions have been the absolute form of goodness. It would be interesting if the Wave Cannon fired by a Scion, an Ala Mhigan Scion no less, ended up causing immense property damage to Gyr Abania.