Paladin Suggestion!

[Brightshadow]

Simple fix for flash is to simply double enmity produced and make the blind only build reset when it reapplied I.e. Doesn't resist duration. I don't think flash should do damage all tanks should be unique as possible and AOE enmity is one way they are unique. Flash shouldn't be cross-class warriors can tank fine with OP if anything maybe lower TP cost.

[Daniolaut]

All three AoE hate generating skills have the same hate potency.

low level PLD holds hate better and more efficiently than WAR with OP.

Everyone who makes these statements never take into consideration that....

WAR and DRK use *damage* in their threat generation.

PLD uses a pointless spell.

How WAR can boost their *damage* thus gain more threat:
Berserk lv.22
Maim lv.18

Plus Defiance at level 30, which directly increases enmity, as well as:
Unchained lv. 40
....negating the penalty from defiance damage loss.
Single target attacks to gain threat from damage which is enhanced by maim and berserk:
Brutal Swing Lv. 10

How DRK can boost their *damage* thus gain more threat:
Dark Side lv. 30

Plus Grit at level 30, which directly increases enmity, as well as:
Single target attacks to gain threat from damage which is enhanced by Dark Side:
Low Blow lv. 10
Reprisal lv. 22
Dark Passenger lv. 40
Dark Arts to enhance multiple attacks lv. 45

PLD?

Flash lv. 8
Shield Swipe lv. 30
(Enhanced by Flight or Flight lv. 6)

No way to boost flash at all whatsoever ...

until level 40 with shield oath.



Recap:
WAR
Brutal Swing lv. 10
Maim lv. 18
Berserk lv 22
Defiance lv. 30
Unchained lv 40

DRK
Low Blow lv. 10
Reprisal lv. 22
Dark Side lv 30
Grit lv. 30
Dark Passenger lv. 40
Dark Arts lv. 45

PLD
Shield Swipe lv. 30 (FoF lv. 6)
Shield Oath lv. 40



"But paladin flash has the same threat potency generation as overpower and unleash."

Doesnt mean anything when it cant be enchanced until 10 levels after the other two tanks, and is 2 or more ways of enhancing it short of the other two tanks....



Paladin is the only melee fighter in the game with less than 2 combos at level 50, and no area of effect weaponskill at all. (Circle of scorn is not a weaponskill.)

[Fluffernuff]

Everyone who makes these statements never take into consideration that....

WAR and DRK use *damage* in their threat generation.

PLD uses a pointless spell.

...

If you're going to quote me in such a way to "correct" me on a point, at least follow through in the same post or later points. I've already "taken into consideration" what you're saying here.

Also, I said that flash is more EFFICIENT AT LOW LEVELS than Overpower. You're trying to correct me on how flash has less effective emnity (which I already brought up). However, YOU'RE not accounting for how many flashes a paladin can use compared to how many times WAR can use OP. using flash 6 times is more emnity than using boosted OP 3 times (3600 vs 3060). WAR has severe TP issues until they get equilibrium at...what? 56? 58? Meanwhile a PLD has riot blade to grant them more Flashes. Drk further has more efficiency because blood weapon and syphon strike stack AND they get blood price.

The only argument here at this point is the fact that said 6 flashes did 0 damage while the WAR did more AoE damage. Yes. PLD is lacking AoE damage... heck, damage in general. beat the dead horse. However, since Flash is their only AoE option, it's what theyre going to use regardless. Flash is less emnity per use, but is able to be used much more often. that's why Flash keeps up.

[Daniolaut]

If you're going to quote me in such a way to "correct" me on a point, at least follow through in the same post or later points. I've already "taken into consideration" what you're saying here.

Also, I said that flash is more EFFICIENT AT LOW LEVELS than Overpower. You're trying to correct me on how flash has less effective emnity (which I already brought up). However, YOU'RE not accounting for how many flashes a paladin can use compared to how many times WAR can use OP. using flash 6 times is more emnity than using boosted OP 3 times (3600 vs 3060). WAR has severe TP issues until they get equilibrium at...what? 56? 58? Meanwhile a PLD has riot blade to grant them more Flashes. Drk further has more efficiency because blood weapon and syphon strike stack AND they get blood price.

The only argument here at this point is the fact that said 6 flashes did 0 damage while the WAR did more AoE damage. Yes. PLD is lacking AoE damage... heck, damage in general. beat the dead horse. However, since Flash is their only AoE option, it's what theyre going to use regardless. Flash is less emnity per use, but is able to be used much more often. that's why Flash keeps up.

Not trying to correct you.

I just dont see the point in saying flash has the same potency threat generation as overpower and unleash. Its not applicable in any situation. Youre not "tanking" things at level 8.

Also i'm not sure when enemies are alive long enough to completely run out of TP on WAR or DRK that you cant have enough threat to start single targeting to conserve said tp.

Personally, i feel DRK is the best at holding threat at any level while doing damage to help defeat the enemies that are attacking you. Which defeating an enemy is the best defense, seeing as the faster they die, the less amount of time they can hit you.

Which makes the PLD has a shield argument a little silly in my opinion. (Cause if a WAR or DRK can main tank it, why take a paladin?)

All i was trying to do was point out PLD cannot enhance flash.

[SomeRandomHuman]

Entire thread in a nutshell:

Switch Shield and Sword oath levels
Tweak flash slightly to keep up with Drk/War indirect enmity buffs(darkside, berserk, etc)
Sword oath is a 75 potency dot with no set duration(as long as you're targeting the mob, you're hitting it with a 75 potency dot)
Riot Blade and CoS is our lord and savior
Shield Swipe potency nerf was unneccesary(from 210 to 150)
Paladin still has the lowest skill cap of the three tanks
Decimate and Fell Cleave ignore tank rules and still somehow generate enough enmity to hold agro for some time