Elephant in the room - action changes from the lore standpoint

[Catapult]

I'm kinda withholding full judgement till I see the implementation in-game, as there is a chance the lore-masters will pull a few aces from their sleeves, but this still doesn't leave me very happy right now. Conjurer's are loosing their Gridanian affiliation to the elements and Thaumaturges are loosing their affiliation to the divine, which is what their respective stories are completely built upon.

What is clear to me though, is that the current picture is incomplete. The traits for each class will provide a new insight and perspective I imagine. That, and none of the abilities in that list even had names for crying out loud! Water is missing from all classes. Black Mage talks about having mastery of six elements but actually only has 3 - fire, ice and lightning. Astral and Umbral are unaccounted for and appear to be being done away with entirely.

So much just doesn't add up at the moment. And if it doesn't add up in-game come 1.20, I'm going to to stop playing (wow, that's the first time I've said that).

[KamikazeMan]

Let's just completely throw logic out of the window and forget that Thaumaturgy revolves around life and death, thus it should be the healing class and Conjurers are, according to old stories, legends, etc are supposed to summon spirits and other supernatural entities....which would be a good class for black magic - or perfect for summoning class.

It seems like SE just used Google to get some new names for White Mage and Black Mage, but didn't properly do their research on what those names actually mean.

[Catapult]

In German, conjurer = druid.

Food for thought.

[Davorok]

Originally Posted by Kailok
It's a fantasy game.

Precisely why I care about lore.

I also care about Lore in a Fantasy Game, but I don't care about the Lore of FFXIV as it exists now, or rather how it doesn't exist. It's just a big mess in my opinion...and boring.

I would be pleasantly surprised if they can come up with a good transition into a different lore but at this point I could live with the "we existed in a snow globe in the mind of a special needs Lalafell" ending.

[Betelgeuzah]

I also care about Lore in a Fantasy Game, but I don't care about the Lore of FFXIV as it exists now, or rather how it doesn't exist. It's just a big mess in my opinion...and boring.

XIV has fantastic lore. Your solution to SE not actually making the lore visible in-game would be to... axe it altogether to replace it with worse lore that still won't be visible anywhere. Great job.

[Catapult]

I also care about Lore in a Fantasy Game, but I don't care about the Lore of FFXIV as it exists now, or rather how it doesn't exist. It's just a big mess in my opinion...and boring.

I would be pleasantly surprised if they can come up with a good transition into a different lore but at this point I could live with the "we existed in a snow globe in the mind of a special needs Lalafell" ending.

Says the Lv35 Archer who has only been able to scratch the surface on the lore that is currently circulating.

[Davorok]

XIV has fantastic lore. Your solution to SE not actually making the lore visible in-game would be to... axe it altogether to replace it with worse lore that still won't be visible anywhere. Great job.

I had nor do I have a suggestion for replacing the lore. I just don't like the current "story" all that much so I don't care if 2.0 comes with a completely different storyline and lore to back it up.

You may like the current lore...I do not.

[zaviermhigo]

I'm ok with most of the changes, the lore aspect did bother me, but there is a little paragraph before each class, making me think once they have cemented (implemented the changes) the changes, they will update the outdated ffxiv website, and try to attract new people, and then once 2.0 comes out the lore will be changed to fit this. That's just the feeling I'm getting though, just opinion.

[Davorok]

Says the Lv35 Archer who has only been able to scratch the surface on the lore that is currently circulating.

I always love these types of responses. Normally I ignore them but I will take the bait this time.

I am only a Lv35 Archer because I find the game in it's current state extremely boring so I don't play very much. I have been playing since November 2010 and could easily have every Class at 50 if the game were interesting enough to merit that much of a time investment.

Soon they will be asking me to pay to continue playing and after these Class Changes are in place if the game is funner and more interesting, I will pay and play more.

Someone replied to one of my early critiques of this game by saying, "...maybe this game is just not for you...". That was certainly true at the time and I probably would have never played again except that SE agreed with the vast majority of people who felt the game was not fun and so they have been making drastic changes to it.

I have stuck around to see how it all ends up and I hope to be pleasantly surprised at how good it becomes ( I am impressed so far). Personally, I am glad that I still have several Classes at Lv1 so I can fully enjoy the FFXIV Reboot, but you are right...since I have less time invested in the Lore of the game I have less to lose but I (and everyone) have much to gain if the game is better and more people subscribe.

If it takes some Lore bending and reshaping to make this game successful, I am ok with that. That's all I'm saying.

p.s. I'm pretty sure that at Lv35 I have only 2 more Main Story Quests to get me immersed in this wonderful Lore you speak of. Class Quests I will do when the Classes are more fun to play (hopefully post 1.20).

[Scherwiz]

The community bitched about classic FF jobs because the classes in their current state (even now) have ZERO personality, lore or not. You can pile 1,000 more hours into the THM storyline lore-wise if you want, then play the class and feel nothing like one. You don't feel like a badass wielder of life and death, you feel like you just clicked 1, maybe throw in a 3, then 5, and then tossed a regen-based heal.

As a MRD, I have done 3 class-quests all dealing with me being a pirate. Do I have any pirate-style abilities? A couple. Is my armor stylized to look like a pirate? Nope. It's not the names people bitched about, it's the classes themselves. They have no "feel" to what they're supposed to be. Hopefully this upcoming patch will bring in the era where classes "play as intended".

And honestly, AGAIN, why in the heck would I prioritize lore over the game being fixed? Without the current game to play, I wouldn't give a crap about the lore. That's like saying "Oh my GOD, Archer is SO BROKEN...Oh well, at least it's lore is intact." It's a fantasy game. Things can be rewritten and changed.

The community bitches about everything, I have no idea how we haven't ended up with a Bunny Mage that turns into demon spawn and shoots fire out of its ass all while crafting jam and biscuits into lamp guns during swimming lessons.