Did Vermillion fail?

[Martin_Arcainess]

I mean, how would you do an RTS-style game on a controller without having it play out like this?

With better planed button layout then what we currently have. To cycle through Gates you have to push R3, for anyone using a control cycling is more common using L1/2 R1/2.

Been a while since I've played but even then why Not use cross hotbar to summon minons? Hold R2 or L2 as we do in game and summon minions as we would use skills.

[Estellios]

LoV is just way too complicated for what people thought it was going to be. The tutorial is crazy long which is very telling for what should have been really simple and casual stuff.

I mean, how would you do an RTS-style game on a controller without having it play out like this?

I think they should have just had consideration for controllers when designing the game in the first place. You can have something that has strategic depth but simple and intuitive controls. They seem to have figured out the game design + rules first before figuring out how it would control when you have to do that kind of stuff hand-in-hand.

Pikmin is a great RTS-lite that plays really well because the controls and game design both take into account the fact that you will be playing it with a controller.

[FabricioRF]

Verminion? I'd rather play Starcraft.

[MistyMew]

They always try to over complicate things imo. Chocobo racing isn't much better.

The day I read the patch notes on this content...the screenshots of the overall design, that went on forever...I said that very night it would not be popular. I don't understand how they cant see that ahead of time Oo boggles the mind tbh.

It should have been far more like wows pet battles, relatively fast, happen anywhere, and toned down to a quick fun game...not a you sunk my battleship depth and slow pace lol

At the same time, they also should have introduced the ability to tame mobs out in the field to obtain mini versions for pet battling.

[Lelila38]

Concept was interesting at first, but poorly executed.
Controls are clunky and an outright nightmare on gamepad.
Pvp system was bound to give rise to win trading, same as Triple Triad. Subsequently the leader board is constantly rigged, no point in aiming for that.
Challenges are kinda funny, but too time consuming for a mini game and considering the reward.
Tutorial is poorly explained, putting people off right from the start. It took me almost 20 mins to figure out controls when I first played.
Overall it's a tad too complicated for a mini game.

Another botched chance, all in all.

[Colino]

It should have been simple and fast turn-based battles, not an RTS-type thing.

[Khalithar]

Verminion was dead on arrival for me. Mostly because I'm terrible at anything RTS/MOBA related so I don't even bother.

[Sicno]

Another thing that probably puts off a lot of people is the tutorial. Not only is it lengthy and has a lot of text, the timers won't stop on certain steps while you're reading the instructions. You can lose by time out on certain messages if you're a slow reader.

[Dustytome]

My biggest gripes with it would have to be the 4 of each minion to use the skills and the arena scenery never changing. I'm not much of a pvp person either so the only time I play anymore is just doing Little Big Beast three times for the weekly mgp boost.

[Jas710]

The tutorials over-explain an already convoluted control and gameplay scheme. We presumed it was going to be basic gameplay, but unfortunately it ended up asking us to invest far more effort than it ultimately was worth. Especially when it competes with all the other systems already in place inside and outside the Gold Saucer.