The Remaining Healers

[Kaitoo]

Red mage doesn't fit as a healer. At worst it's a dps class, but it much better suits a tank role.

tank is like the last fitting role for redmage




on the topic, i think something like a geomancer which heals throug terrain buffing (if you stand their you get healed/healing gets buffed), something like leylines) and such would be nice

[dejiko_san]

RDM has always been a support mage. I can't imagine it as a tank.

I think it's going to be a new healer that can also dps. I would also be totally ok with it being a dps that can help support heal/buff.

[ErdrickLoto]

What? How? Traditionally Red Mages have had lower maximum HP than Black Mages, and have never equipped anything above light armour.

What red mages have you been using...? They've never been worse than a black mage defensively. They're a hybrid in all aspects, physical and magical.

They'd probably be the best option for a mage-tank, except for, like...blue mage, and the team already said there'd be difficulty faithfully adding it in, IIRC.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

What red mages have you been using...? They've never been worse than a black mage defensively. They're a hybrid in all aspects, physical and magical.

They'd probably be the best option for a mage-tank, except for, like...blue mage, and the team already said there'd be difficulty faithfully adding it in, IIRC.

This guy gets it!

[Talraen]

I used RDM as my main tank in the original FF all the time. I'm pretty sure RDM had more HP and much better armor that WHM and BLM in that game?

Red mage is a decent tank at the very start of FF1, because they can use the same armor as warriors at that point. However, they have similar HP to black mages (and less than white mages) and the same maximum absorb as both, 51. The three also inexplicably have the worst magic defense (likely a bug). For comparison, knights cap at 74 absorb and ninjas at 60. Red mages do get nice defensive spells like Blink and Protect, but so do knights.

In short, red mage tanking in FF1 is in line with all of their other skills: pretty good at the start, and pretty bad by the end.

[VanilleFang]

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They have among the lowest maximum HP of all avaliable jobs in original FFV, as an example. Also, even if they have higher HP it's only marginal, and since they are a hybrid melee-mage they are relegated to the front row. This caused them to have very low survivability overall, considering they are never far above other mages in any defensive category.

@Everything else: I never said I thought RDM would make a good healer. I stick by them being better as a DPS class.

You want to be a tank? How does that reflect the tradition of a RDM's signature ability X-Magic?

[Jandor]

I dug out the old Necromancer thread for those interested. Some good concepts shared IMHO.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...b-as-healer%21

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

You want to be a tank? How does that reflect the tradition of a RDM's signature ability X-Magic?

How does Holy reflect WHM's status as a healer? How do songs represent Bards status as a dps? How does Ninjutsu reflect Nin's status as a dps when it's primary ability has always been throw?

Simply focusing on one singular facet doesn't always give you the complete picture.

Following your logic, let's toss cleric stance, Deliverance, Sword Oath, FoE and FoF, all WHM dps skills, all shield spells for Scholar...

[Talraen]

How does that reflect the tradition of a RDM's signature ability X-Magic?

X-magic is less a RDM "tradition" than something they added to FFV to make red mage viable when the very concept of the class up to that point was consistently "black and white magic, but at lower level." If that's all red mage was in FFV, it would have been basically worthless in the long run. Like it was (by design) in FFIII.

How does Holy reflect WHM's status as a healer? How do songs represent Bards status as a dps? How does Ninjutsu reflect Nin's status as a dps when it's primary ability has always been throw?

Simply focusing on one singular facet doesn't always give you the complete picture.

Following your logic, let's toss cleric stance, Deliverance, Sword Oath, FoE and FoF, all WHM dps skills, all shield spells for Scholar...

That's all fair, but what about RDM suggests a tank?

[Docent]

That's all fair, but what about RDM suggests a tank?

1- Melee ranged combatant
2- Magic ability that allows it to cure and protect itself (cure, blink and similar spells)
3- Not the best at healing -- Can't compete with actual healers at their job
4- Not the best at dpsing -- Can't compete with actual DPS at their job

Sounds like either a new class type (Hybrid, Support, etc.) or a tank.

Yoshi-P already confirmed Stormblood will not bring a new class type.

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That said, I do believe RDM could be a healer job in XIV and I wouldn't be mad, since they would still get to do the "heal sometime, dps sometime" part of the job. I just would hate it if RDM wasn't a sword-user. And it would be weird to have to be in melee range and duck in/out of aoe as a healer.