Skipping MSQ

[Jandor]

Someone has never seen the adult world of business and investment. We aren't being extorted because they aren't withholding content. The closest thing on the cash shop that even comes close is eternal bonding, which has a free version without the fluff. Nothing in the cash shop contributes to gameplay in any way.

A. Nothing in the cash shop contributes to gameplay in any way yet. A level potion would quite clearly affect gameplay. I also never said extortion. I said it's about getting more money, which it is, because it's a business and that's what they'll do. Our job is to get the best deal possible, the system doesn't work if we just immediately accept whatever's on offer.

B. How many times are people going to tell me that SE is a business? I know it's a business, I know it exists to part us from our cash, I know that's the reason why these things happen. What everyone seems to ignore is that explaining why doesn't justify it. You have to keep companies on their toes to keep them honest. That's the 'adult world', saying 'whatever you give us is fine' is never going to get you anything better.

[Kaitoo]

A. Nothing in the cash shop contributes to gameplay in any way yet. A level potion would quite clearly affect gameplay.

B. How many times are people going to tell me that SE is a business? I know it's a business, I know it exists to part us from our cash, I know that's the reason why these things happen. What everyone seems to ignore is that explaining why doesn't justify it.

Actually it does. Because the only justification in the free market for offering your product is that there are people who want to buy it


Now it is a whole other can of worms if this is like say, customer friendly, good in the long term and so on, which are/can be debated, but its still justify it perfectly

[Jandor]

Actually it does. Because the only justification in the free market for offering your product is that there are people who want to buy it
Now it is a whole other can of worms if this is like say, customer friendly, good in the long term and so on, which are/can be debated, but its still justify it perfectly

Something being profitable does not in itself make it justified. Selling heroin is profitable, packing malware into your game can be profitable, sacking employees who get pregnant or fall ill improves profits. None of it is justified though.
The capitalist system, at its core, is morally questionable. It's about using the worst aspects of human nature to drive progress, it works, but only when Governments and customers work to keep it in check.

Oh, and while I think a cash shop in a subscription MMO is pretty damn shady, I obviously don't think it's of anywhere near comparable severity to selling heroin. Before anyone jumps on that...

[Kaitoo]

Something being profitable does not in itself make it justified. Selling heroin is profitable, packing malware into your game can be profitable, sacking employees who get pregnant or fall ill improves profits. None of it is justified though.

Oh, and while I think a cash shop in a subscription MMO is pretty damn shady, I obviously don't think it's of anywhere near comparable severity to selling heroin. Before anyone jumps on that...

Sry but these are all illegale so i stand corrected.

And if these are not illegal in your country, then yes, they are justified. You offering something that people want and are willing to pay for. I dont understand why you cant grasp the concept of the whole free market since couple of centuries

[Jandor]

Sry but these are all illegale so i stand corrected.

And if these are not illegal in your country, then yes, they are justified. You offering something that people want and are willing to pay for. I dont understand why you cant grasp the concept of the whole free market since couple of centuries

Fine, morally justified.

[Kaitoo]

Fine, morally justified. It was clearly what I meant, but whatever.

If you did mean that you should have also read this:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post3938521


"Now it is a whole other can of worms if this is like say, customer friendly, good in the long term and so on, which are/can be debated, but its still justify it perfectly"