Skipping MSQ

[SenorPatty]

Wonder if it's going to be kosher to kick well performing players from parties if I learn they use a jump pot.
I don't even want to play with people who skip cutscenes the first time.

It'll be kosher as well when you get reported for booting them for a reason not listed on on SE's ToA

[Jandor]

Subs are generally a static source of income. If you want new features or more resources spent on the game or overhauls like the EU servers or the server upgrades we are getting their expense needs to be justified to the investors. The Cash shop allows that. If we want more from SE, they will need more revenue to justify it. After all its not like not upgrading the servers or hiring new staff would negatively effect profits that much. All that Sub money you mention is already been taken into account. Unless FF14 sees a massive growth in subs it's unlikely you would see substantially more money being reinvested into the game otherwise.

So long as we're on the same page that it's fundamentally nothing but SE and shareholders milking us for more money then I'm happy.

The problem with a new game+ system they already said is due to how the Quest system is structured. Even things like Airships wouldn't be accessable till you re-unlocked them. You would loose all your progress. That is a system issue and unless they overhaul that system it is likely problematic to do.

Take the 2.0 and 3.0 MSQ's, copy and paste into 2 new questlines that are unlocked from the Wandering Minstrel, same dialogue, same cut scenes, technically "different" quests. It seems pretty easy to me, maybe it just didn't spring to mind when Yoshi was asked?

As for why they wouldn't offer this for free, it's simple. It's to limit access for RMT and botters to later points in the game.

They'd still have to pay for the expansions. It isn't like a skip potion is going to be any better from a user point of view, they're RMT, they can afford it. If it's introduced we'll get botters at later points in the game.

I would also ask, how does someone else skipping that game experience negatively impact you? Did you find playing that content a bad thing? I can find the only real issue is their potential performance endgame and that can be mitigated with Tutorial systems. Otherwise there isn't much logic to your argument.

It doesn't negatively impact me, at the moment, but it's where you draw the line. As I said in the other jump potion thread, at the end of the day their is very little fundamental different between experience points, tomestones and the relic weapon, they're all time sinks. No matter how bad you are at the game so long as you're prepared to grind you can have everything I mentioned. Selling experience points opens the door to selling tomestones, or "progression gear" or "relic accelerators", selling jump potions is the definite end of the 'cosmetics only' cash shop.

I made this thread because I do have some sympathy for the new guy, I can see how signing up to play with your friends and being gated by 300 quests might seem insurmountable at first. I think it could maybe even be good for the new players to start with Stormblood, get invested in the game, and then see the original story line at a later date when they want to do it to level up their characters 2nd or 3rd job.
But, this game is like 90% time sinks, I think if we start selling ways round them on the mogstation we set a very risky precedent.

Edit: I must also add, that although it doesn't affect me at the moment, depending on the final price leveling potions could potentially do a lot of harm to leveling roulette. I think their are long term problems with level boosters that could seriously harm the game, that would effect me.

[Lambdafish]

So long as we're on the same page that it's fundamentally nothing but SE and shareholders milking us for more money then I'm happy.

Someone has never seen the adult world of business and investment. We aren't being extorted because they aren't withholding content. The closest thing on the cash shop that even comes close is eternal bonding, which has a free version without the fluff. Nothing in the cash shop contributes to gameplay in any way.


My personal view on jump potions is that they are fine but are seriously being considered prematurely. "But WoW has a levelling potion" people say... Yes, a levelling potion that was introduced in their fifth expansion to get a level 90 character. WoW was an 10 year old game at that point (we can treat XIV as a brand new game starting from ARR, as 1.0 can no longer be accessed). And they should definitely be paid for as a service not unlike server transfers and fantasias.

[loreleidiangelo]

My personal view on jump potions is that they are fine but are seriously being considered prematurely. "But WoW has a levelling potion" people say... Yes, a levelling potion that was introduced in their fifth expansion to get a level 90 character.

I mean, this would largely be unnecessary IF the MSQ wasn't a massive roadblock to doing pretty much anything meaningful in the game when a new expansion drops. I don't really think that anyone thinks the LEVEL boosting is mandatory, more that the story/MSQ skip part is.

If I were to be frank, I'd rather they just remove the mandatory MSQ flags on everything and let people bounce around to the content that they choose, so long as their level is adequate. But if the devs are going to keep insisting that everyone at least spam-click through their juvenile anime trope-fest than they need to give people a way to opt out of it, even if that way involves paying real-people dollars to do so.

[Jandor]

Someone has never seen the adult world of business and investment. We aren't being extorted because they aren't withholding content. The closest thing on the cash shop that even comes close is eternal bonding, which has a free version without the fluff. Nothing in the cash shop contributes to gameplay in any way.

A. Nothing in the cash shop contributes to gameplay in any way yet. A level potion would quite clearly affect gameplay. I also never said extortion. I said it's about getting more money, which it is, because it's a business and that's what they'll do. Our job is to get the best deal possible, the system doesn't work if we just immediately accept whatever's on offer.

B. How many times are people going to tell me that SE is a business? I know it's a business, I know it exists to part us from our cash, I know that's the reason why these things happen. What everyone seems to ignore is that explaining why doesn't justify it. You have to keep companies on their toes to keep them honest. That's the 'adult world', saying 'whatever you give us is fine' is never going to get you anything better.

[Kaitoo]

A. Nothing in the cash shop contributes to gameplay in any way yet. A level potion would quite clearly affect gameplay.

B. How many times are people going to tell me that SE is a business? I know it's a business, I know it exists to part us from our cash, I know that's the reason why these things happen. What everyone seems to ignore is that explaining why doesn't justify it.

Actually it does. Because the only justification in the free market for offering your product is that there are people who want to buy it


Now it is a whole other can of worms if this is like say, customer friendly, good in the long term and so on, which are/can be debated, but its still justify it perfectly

[Felis]

Subs are generally a static source of income. If you want new features or more resources spent on the game or overhauls like the EU servers or the server upgrades we are getting their expense needs to be justified to the investors.

No investors, only shareholders. And they are not interested in the income of a single project, only in the total income of SE.

[Jandor]

Actually it does. Because the only justification in the free market for offering your product is that there are people who want to buy it
Now it is a whole other can of worms if this is like say, customer friendly, good in the long term and so on, which are/can be debated, but its still justify it perfectly

Something being profitable does not in itself make it justified. Selling heroin is profitable, packing malware into your game can be profitable, sacking employees who get pregnant or fall ill improves profits. None of it is justified though.
The capitalist system, at its core, is morally questionable. It's about using the worst aspects of human nature to drive progress, it works, but only when Governments and customers work to keep it in check.

Oh, and while I think a cash shop in a subscription MMO is pretty damn shady, I obviously don't think it's of anywhere near comparable severity to selling heroin. Before anyone jumps on that...

[Kaitoo]

Something being profitable does not in itself make it justified. Selling heroin is profitable, packing malware into your game can be profitable, sacking employees who get pregnant or fall ill improves profits. None of it is justified though.

Oh, and while I think a cash shop in a subscription MMO is pretty damn shady, I obviously don't think it's of anywhere near comparable severity to selling heroin. Before anyone jumps on that...

Sry but these are all illegale so i stand corrected.

And if these are not illegal in your country, then yes, they are justified. You offering something that people want and are willing to pay for. I dont understand why you cant grasp the concept of the whole free market since couple of centuries

[Jandor]

Sry but these are all illegale so i stand corrected.

And if these are not illegal in your country, then yes, they are justified. You offering something that people want and are willing to pay for. I dont understand why you cant grasp the concept of the whole free market since couple of centuries

Fine, morally justified.