2 questions regarding Healer DPS

[Llynd]

Thank you Vanillefang for being so right.
I'm still confused when people still think sch is a pure healer x) How can we possibly forget the fact that for the first 30 lvl we were dps ?

[Sanogo]

Try out Astro, either as main or offhealer. You have 3 dots and you can run same encounters as sch when u are more familiar with them.

[Feyona]

[QUOTE=VanilleFang;3934041]I'm sorry to say, but the way SCH is you'll always end up being the off-healer.

SCH branches off a DPS classes so it has a large number of DPS abilities, with a good number of utility options. This coupled with the fact that they have a fairy that doesn't get effected by your own GCD or Cleric Stance, you have a perfect Job to take up the role as a DPS/Healer. Not saying that SCH aren't good at healing, they are, but the are the best in the off-healer role. It's like WAR. WAR are really good as the MT, but they make the best OT.

If you want the heal I would suggest looking at AST or WHM.[/QUOTE I have got wmg and ast, to me scholar is the class I want to play as healer. It looks like I dont have a choice of what I would like to play. Im still hoping my opinion matters though.

[Rawrz]

I have got wmg and ast, to me scholar is the class I want to play as healer. It looks like I dont have a choice of what I would like to play. Im still hoping my opinion matters though.

You can make it work, but you can't have a traditional coheal. You won't be optimal but as long as you're clearing content and having fun with the experience, do it.

Please try to get more familiar with your dps skills as well. This will strengthen your understanding of rate of damage and will really help you become an even better healer.

[bswpayton]

Whm for sure I just find dots boring by the time , you put dots on trash with scholar , in that same amount of time those adds will be dead with holy from whm.

[Llynd]

Whm for sure I just find dots boring by the time , you put dots on trash with scholar , in that same amount of time those adds will be dead with holy from whm.

You're overestimating Holy. Or underestimating sch's dots. It wont take us much time to dot+bane. Also, holy takes way too much mana to be relevant.

[GraumSenpai]

My group is doing a WHM/AST setup with my as AST off heal... it was a tough conversion period as main healer has been what I do for about a year... but I actually really like AST as a DPS. It doesn't require you to be melee range to do AoE attacks, it has enough single target damage to keep your DPS numbers high on the boss, it has a butt ton of regen for yourself, it can keep your party DPS buffed, it can keep your main healer sufficient in mana, and has enough utility to be a proper off healer. Tho DPS does take a nasty hit if you need to do some extra healing since DoTs arent all that potent and outside of lightspeed and swiftcast, you have no instant casts for DPS or party heals, so that hurts... but I'm loving the AST off heal life so far... low stress, very straight forward... just recognise whats coming next and prepare your DoTs or your shields and Disable.

[Llynd]

My group is doing a WHM/AST setup with my as AST off heal... it was a tough conversion period as main healer has been what I do for about a year... but I actually really like AST as a DPS. It doesn't require you to be melee range to do AoE attacks, it has enough single target damage to keep your DPS numbers high on the boss, it has a butt ton of regen for yourself, it can keep your party DPS buffed, it can keep your main healer sufficient in mana, and has enough utility to be a proper off healer. Tho DPS does take a nasty hit if you need to do some extra healing since DoTs arent all that potent and outside of lightspeed and swiftcast, you have no instant casts for DPS or party heals, so that hurts... but I'm loving the AST off heal life so far... low stress, very straight forward... just recognise whats coming next and prepare your DoTs or your shields and Disable.

Yep ast is fun to play this way too. Happy you're enjoying playing it.

[GraumSenpai]

I lied there is stress its just that my WHM takes like 90% of it... my stress is from teaching new people in the static A9S 5 hours before reset and we still needed the weekly clear ;_; RIP Manifesto.

[Fernosaur]

For the OP: It depends. On boss fights, yes, you want to give your DoTs a 100% uptime if possible. This means refreshing all four basic DoTs and keeping Shadow Flare up at all times. Remember that using Sacred Soil erases Shadow Flare, so you have to renew it after mitigating with SS.

On trash pulls, it's likely you won't need to refresh DoTs, as a single application of all three+Bane will most likely be enough to last until all mobs are below 15% HP due to party DPS. In this case, redotting and Baning is not very optimal. For these cases, just put Blizzard II on your Cross class skills instead of Stoneskin and AoE them to death, but ONLY if there's 4 or more mobs. If there's 3 or less, just Broil them individually.

That said, I do find SCH to be the job in which DPSing is the most fun, for the reason that properly using your fairy's toolkit allows you to not drop Cleric Stance. Ever. Pulling this off in trash pulls that are as big as an entire floor is super satisfying, and regularly my tank friends comment that whenever they heal those pulls they have to be on the tank for 40%ish of the time.

On the other end of satisfaction, only when it comes to DPS in trash pulls, I love WHM. WHM's AoE burst is ridiculously stupid, and you don't need 4 GCDs to set up your AoE dps like SCH does. In A9S, my WHM friend used to jump to as much as 2k DPS on adds phases because of holy and assize. In the meantime, I never even had time to Bane before mobs were below 30% because I was on generator carrying duty.

So, by these two examples, it depends on what you prefer!

I never really felt like much of a healer as scholar. Sure i put up shields and indom as needed...but i felt like i cast way more dots and broil than i did heal.

WHM has assize, aero 3 and Holy so its great fun balancing cleric stance with healing and regen.

I have recently joined a static group on my server toprogress from a10s onwards. Until now I have healed new content. Now I suddenly found that the most important job I have is to dps. I feel way out of my depth , I have so many spells. Ok in a10s first I got shadowflre, then aero, bio2,miasma, bio, mash, macro embrace on tank, broil, fey wind on cd, in between dot uptime galvanize tank buster sacred soil, lustrate, oh I forgot blizard 2 on adds, eye for an eye on tank virus on boss. Dont know if I left anything out.As offheal press the switches. Please let me be a healer with a a few dps spells I feel so stressed Im wanting to stop playing it. Statics wont let me heal on my server . This is not fun for me. I know I am not the only scholar that would like to be a healer. Oh I do admire you pro dps scholars but I do like healing. I just got too much to do 2 jobs with lots of spells.

The problem with how SCH is currently shoehorned into this weird pre-conception that they should only be DPSing is kind of errant, imo. The goal of BOTH healers, regardless of their job, should be to DPS as much as possible without compromising their healing requirements. For this reason, I grind my teeth every time I see videos of an AST or WHM who just stand there waiting to cast cure because they are "main healers." This is wrong, because they are neglecting and ignoring the fact that SCH can provide as much healing, much faster, and by sacrificing less resources.

SCH's fairy facilitates not only that SCH provides high amounts of DPS, but also that the other healer does the same. If you add to this that SCH has the most amount of instant healing abilities per minute, you realize that you can take a lot of leverage off your co-healers shoulders. If you want to heal as SCH, start using Eos first. Selene's mini haste is cool and all, but the amount of utility Eos provide for both healers is incredible. A Roused Whispering Dawn can help you and your co-healer stay in Cleric Stance for ridiculously long periods of time without bothering to heal after raid-wide damage. Fey Illumination can make your co-healer's regens stronger, which means less need to go out of CS to provide extra healing, etc. On top of this, Lustrate and Indomitability being off the GCD means that you can cast Aero/Bio, pop out of Clerics, use any of these two on whoever needs emergency healing and pop back to Cleric in virtually the same GCD. Scholar is the healer with most action efficiency, and you should abuse this.

I understand your frustration with wanting to heal, but the way healing is designed in FFXIV, it's a job that constantly balances decision making based on finding windows in which you can DPS between windows of heavy damage. To maximize your toolkit, you and your other healer have to recognize that SCH's tools facilitate maximizing these DPS windows. It's a joint effort in which both healers have to understand this and attempt to DPS as much as possibly by abusing the very powerful fairy cooldowns.