2 questions regarding Healer DPS

[Gemina]

If you want the heal I would suggest looking at AST or WHM.

Or ask for large pulls. Of course, this applies to mostly four-man content where SCH has no choice but to main heal, and AoE is sufficient for said large pull. But it is still a way to heal more as SCH. Otherwise yup, SCH is shoe horned into the OH role. They can MH at the cost of a lot of their utility, which is less than optimal if there already is a WHM or AST in the group and they are on their feet.

[Gemina]

So I'm mostly a SCH main, and I noticed that most of the time playing as SCH I was just pressing 1 for Broil until my eyes fell out of my sockets.

So now I have 2 questions:
1. In your personal opinion, which healer is the most satisfying to DPS as? WHM seems obvious, it hurls rocks and gusts of wind at people and you get to spam Holy, but at the same time AST seems like it has a similar deal with its malefics and Gravity, as well as the jolly fun of enhanced arrow or balance.

2. Whats the best way to DPS as SCH? Should I be making sure that all of my DoTs are up the whole duration of long fights? Or should I just be pressing 1 all the time?

1. I can only speak for SCH and WHM since I don't have AST unlocked, but of the two it is SCH. As another posted stated, it is very gratifying when you can get Bane and Shadow Flare up during a large pull. That kind of DMG output is just insane for the little enmity it generates. The job also starts out as DPS, so it is exactly what I signed up for. Each of these cases is not true with WHM. However, I do enjoy WHMs burst ability. But what I truly love about that job are the big heals.

2. Well, I guess the best way is to have all your DoTs up, refreshing as they expire, broiling in between, and casting Energy Drain if a stack is not needed to heal or mitigate. The most simple way I can explain DPSing as SCH is applying the ABC rule in order to get Bane and Shadow Flare up asap. You make heal/mitigation/cleanse checks before proceeding with each. Personally, I usually open with Shadow Flare due to it costing one gcd and still valid to use even on fast trash pulls.

I believe broil has been explained as filler, and being lower on your list of abilities to cast. However, you will still be casting it a lot. If it is just a matter of experience, these windows will open themselves up to you as you run more and more content as SCH.

[Kurtyzana]

it sad that as healer we need think wich class from healing is the best to do DPS...i hope they change it...as now i think the best dps is SCH becouse you put DoT then you can stay on healing mode also we got nice pet so with good macros it can be very nice second Offhealer ^^ then you got 3 healer on party ^^

[Gemina]

it sad that as healer we need think wich class from healing is the best to do DPS...i hope they change it...as now i think the best dps is SCH becouse you put DoT then you can stay on healing mode also we got nice pet so with good macros it can be very nice second Offhealer ^^ then you got 3 healer on party ^^

It's really not that bad from my experience. You still get to heal plenty in the healer role. Groups will always require heals, and while staying up without them is possible, it is severely inefficient to do so. To those who frown a bit at the DPS expectations of the role should try to find the silver lining. In this game, your DPS ability allows you to complete content on your own such as MSQ solo instances, hunting logs, FATEs, unsynced dungeons and so forth.

That is not to say that there are not times when your group is literally taking no damage and you can DPS all day. In these groups I tell the tank to pull more. For me, they need to pull more than my fairy can handle, and I usually use Eos. If I can't get Bane up, it's a little on the heavy side.

You will almost always need to heal for bosses. They are notorious for unavoidable raid damage and you have to be ready for when this happens. Then there is the matter of your group being able to dodge, if they can't be ready to heal if they are still alive.

[Feyona]

I understand your frustration with wanting to heal, but the way healing is designed in FFXIV, it's a job that constantly balances decision making based on finding windows in which you can DPS between windows of heavy damage. To maximize your toolkit, you and your other healer have to recognize that SCH's tools facilitate maximizing these DPS windows. It's a joint effort in which both healers have to understand this and attempt to DPS as much as possibly by abusing the very powerful fairy cooldowns.[/QUOTE] So strange I have recently been kicked out of a static not on my healing but for my dps abilities. Nothing wrong with my healing, as I have usually done more healing than my ast co heal. So now I did wmg a9s much easir to do dps with wmg and faster. Scolar takes so long to put dots on. Scholar is faster at healing wmg is faster dps.._its so illogical tome that scholar is the dps cos I did more dps on my wmg without hardly trying.

[bswpayton]

hmm I dono maybe Im the odd man out but holy with whm on trash pulls seems like it gets alot more done than spreading your dots on adds but maybe thats just me and Im whm bias.

[technole]

hmm I dono maybe Im the odd man out but holy with whm on trash pulls seems like it gets alot more done than spreading your dots on adds but maybe thats just me and Im whm bias.

I can agree, the dps numbers will skyrocket immediately and can it feel satisfying with Gravity and Holy over the slow-eating flesh of DoTs. But we have Blizzard 2 which works too, SCH should generally replace Stoneskin with that.

(Plus I get a bit annoyed seeing that SCH only use Stoneskin like they are WHM trapped in a SCH body. You have a better shield for tanks, thanks.)

[Rivxkobe]

So now I did wmg a9s much easir to do dps with wmg and faster. Scolar takes so long to put dots on. Scholar is faster at healing wmg is faster dps.._its so illogical tome that scholar is the dps cos I did more dps on my wmg without hardly trying.

How is it easier to DPS as a WHM? I'm confused. SCH has a Fairy and came from a DPS class.

A WHM damage is more front loaded/burst, so yeah they deal damage "faster" but they deal less damage in the end. I don't even really know how to explain it to you since your post is so confusing.

SCH deals more damage for less MP and with more "free time".

SCH is better at DPS/Co-Healing while a WHM is better at Main healing. Just by looking at their kits this should be obvious.

[Judge_Xero]

it sad that as healer we need think which class from healing is the best to do DPS...i hope they change it...as now i think the best dps is SCH becouse you put DoT then you can stay on DPS mode, also we got nice pet so it can be very nice second Off/Main Healer ^^ then you got 2 healer on party ^^

Fixed that for you somewhat.

[FunkYeahDragons]

IMO, SCH is pretty satisfying to DPS as because you can weave in Energy Drain on oGCDs and try to plan for better dots than just 1-2-3-4. But if you're not interested in SCH, then WHM has more oGCDs like Fluid Aura or Assize that you can sneak in at close range. AST has 3 dots and Malefic II, most of the fun comes from handling cards.

Of the three, AST - > WHM -> SCH in terms of DPS simplicity.