Early Regen Spams In All Grades of Content

[Truefaith87]

As the title says, lately in any type and location of content, I have been seeing more and more healers willing to early regen or attempt to stritctly reply ONLY upon regens/party wide regens to keep the group healthy. As a tank main, I am well aware you can simply click it off. But in 8 man content, what about the other 7 who leave it on? Instantly once they all jump into the boss fight, the healer draws hate, dies, and blames the tank. Is there no way to explain to healers through their course of playing that regens affect your healing this way? It is feeling like it is a pandemic that makes for more drama than simplicity.

[bounddreamer]

This has been happening a lot more often lately and as a tank main it drives me up the wall. Just because I can secure and keep hate doesn't mean every tank they get will be able to do it. Very bad habit on the healers' part.

[Jpec07]

It's a common strategy in other MMOs (*cough*WoW*cough*) to pre-apply regen, because tanks generate sufficient enmity to compensate. However, FFXIV is different, and if a healer does it, pulls hate, dies, and then yells at the tank, the tank is fully in the right to tell that healer off, or to leave.

In my experience, Regen is only safe after the first enmity combo is out, and Medica II is only safe once the tank has a really big enmity lead.

[Leigaon]

As for 8 man content and pre-regen before the pull. I don't understand too much, you normally have a few seconds where nothing really happens anyways.

For normal dungeons though. There's been a concern on the other end that I've seen where tanks will pull big. There's a common habit I'm seeing where tanks for some reason just stop, turn around and do their AoE hate move even though things are all green on our end. Then they keep on pulling. Tossing a cure could critical and come in at the wrong moment when the tank pulls another set of mobs with say Shield Lob. It hits the one but the other two run right at the healer.

Thing is you should run to the tank, well sometimes that first set of mobs has a large AoE that they're casting and if you run to the tank to let the two get to into the tanks AoE you might get hit with that mob AoE. Then there's a chance that you get slapped at least once from each mob before hate is established.

How is regen any better? It's not for the most part. Though if you stay with the tank then they can get hit, any hate that comes to me is instantly aoe. I'm just giving an example of a situation. Or if they're going to get hit a few times while pulling and stop, the regen hopfully gets them up incase you run out of range. That's the mindset for some.

I'm not saying any of this is right. I'm merely explaining the situations that would cause people to react in such ways come up. A situation or an issue came up and this method is what some of the healers went to.

It's a common strategy in other MMOs (*cough*WoW*cough*) to pre-apply regen, because tanks generate sufficient enmity to compensate...

That's something for me to keep in mind. I never played WoW, well I tried to and I didn't get past level 10. Didn't last long, and my MMORPG history only consists of FFXI..so it's nice to hear things like this so I can see if a habit came from another game.

[Kitfox]

Early Regen makes no difference in encouters with one target, or multiple that are picked on the same moment. Tank will be able to handle the small HoT enmity with their initial hate grab. It's only a problem when pulling multiple groups of enemies with limited hate output from tank, eg. only Flashing each group once or plain body pulling through hordes of enemies. Another problem is tanks engaging enemy groups with their ranged attack, causing them to spin their GCD as the mobs run past them, when instead they should run into the middle of the group and tag all targets with an AoE.

[NorthernLadMSP]

This drives me up the wall. I just hate healers that do this and it definitely has been occurring a lot more often.

[Rawrz]

One Regen is fine on a single target. An AoE regen is not. Tanks should be the first gcd to hit the mob. For AoE situations, I would avoid it and [Aero -> CS off -> Regen -> CS on] to minimize dps loss.

[Nalyna]

Being new to the game and new to healing here, I appreciate this thread. I learn a lot from other players when I'm in dungeons. Just a friendly reminder might be the trick. I came from WoW last, and yes -- we pre-HOT/Regen. If you are a Druid, you might put up to three or so heal-over-times before the fight even starts. Honestly, no one here told me off about doing it. I learned pretty quickly what was happening when I grabbed aggro at the start of a fight. Then I adjusted and don't do that anymore.

Constructive criticism is useful. There are really nice ways to give suggestions. And there are really mean ones. And then there is the passive "I won't say a word but I will silently scream my head off at you" way, which rarely yields any helpful results.

[Truefaith87]

I should add it to the list that commonly I do kindly tell them how it draws emnity (explained it pretty detailed for a WHM in Castrum just yesterday midrun), and she took it great, and learned from it. More times than not, though, it's met with huge amounts of hostility, most commonly in the form of "You don't tell me how to play my class, (insert chosen slur here)!", which is unneeded hostility in a group no matter how you slice it. Is it that difficult overall for people to accept that they may still be in a learning phase as they level, and just accept gently told advice to make their life easier, rather than unload violently on others because of it?

[TaleraRistain]

Early Regen makes no difference in encouters with one target, or multiple that are picked on the same moment.

You're the first one I've seen with this opinion. I mentioned this in the healer pet peeve thread because in all the time I've played a healer in this game, it's been very common in trials for the whm to cast Medica II right before the pull and scatter. It was something I learned from those around me. But it was communicated that it was a very bad idea. The irony is that after the feedback I tried *not* doing it in a trial and someone yelled about its absence. But what you describe with a single target is what has been my experience. I gain no additional aggro but I make sure to stay near enough the tank until mechanics dictate moving away that I don't make their job harder having to chase me if I do.