The Journey - Is It Still Wanted?

[tachikoma]

The single worst argument on the forums "No one is forcing you to XYZ/ABC".

Yes others are forcing you to do certain things against your will ex: if you try to shout in FFXI for a party and you are a lvl 50 rdm with no subs and no refresh you are NOT going to get in any parties ever. You are forced to have subs lvl'd and basic required spells. Of course no one forces you to have them but if you dont' you dont' get the invites.

In ffxiv you are forced to deal with PL's in parties and groups that maximize gains and prefer beastmen/raptors from 30-50.

ffxiv: no one forces you to have sentinel for ifrit but if your whole party does not have sentinel expect to wipe.

ffxiv: no one forces you to use LNC but if you bring 6PGL to ifrit expect to wipe from sear dmg + hate control issues

[PrettyPrincess]

Someone is flustered. I am more than happy to anger you at any point and time.
Keep spewing garbage, I will be here to make sure you become bitter about it.

Pretty Princess actually thinks you are the one getting flustered since you feel the need to throw around petty insults. Pretty princess and others also believe it is you who is spewing the garbage. Pretty Princess also knows that it is you who is the bitter one. This please Pretty Princess :3

[RathSkybreaker]

But it's already impossible for someone who can only play a few times a week for a few hours. You can only mess around with leveling so much. Either way there are going to be unhappy people no matter what you do so why bother?

Yeah I agree, I think if anything 2.0 will be the saving grace, not because of its super patch ability, but for the fact that it will rush in new players (hopefully), if everything goes well then with a rush of new players I think everything would settle out, as long as they dont all rush to 50 @_@

[PrettyPrincess]

The single worst argument on the forums "No one is forcing you to XYZ/ABC".

Yes others are forcing you to do certain things against your will ex: if you try to shout in FFXI for a party and you are a lvl 50 rdm with no subs and no refresh you are NOT going to get in any parties ever. You are forced to have subs lvl'd and basic required spells. Of course no one forces you to have them but if you dont' you dont' get the invites.

In ffxiv you are forced to deal with PL's in parties and groups that maximize gains and prefer beastmen/raptors from 30-50.

XIV and XI are different. Unlike XI, if I dont like what a certain group is doing guess what? I go solo. Efficiently.

[Jinko]

Indeed.

Also 1-50 is completely by choice. No one is forcing you to level this fast.

This, It take a certain type of person to go from 1-50 in one day, I don't have the patience to go from 40-50 in one day let alone 1-50.

It's people who level that fast who are the problem.

[tachikoma]

Jinko: these are the exact same situations

ffxiv: no one forces you to have sentinel for ifrit but if your whole party does not have sentinel expect to wipe.

ffxiv: no one forces you to use LNC but if you bring 6PGL to ifrit expect to wipe from sear dmg + hate control issues

How do you suggest ppl follow the "no one is forcing you" mantra for these?

[tachikoma]

I don't have the patience to go from 40-50 in one day let alone 1-50.

You have never partied for 3hours strait?

[PrettyPrincess]

Jinko: these are the exact same situations



How do you suggest ppl follow the "no one is forcing you" mantra for these?

Um...I've gone in with people who didn't have sentinel and came out victorious every time we did it.

We've also brought in pugs and came out victorious.

No wipes. Just people who know what they're doing.

[tachikoma]

Um...I've gone in with people who didn't have sentinel and came out victorious every time we did it.

We've also brought in pugs and came out victorious.

No wipes. Just people who know what they're doing.

show me a victory where the entire party does not have sentinel 1M gil on the table.

or a party with PGL as your dd's, I have had wins with 6ppl only (where 2dc's in 1 fight happen) obv you can bring ppl in who do nothing but stand in the corner but the rest of the party needs to then be further optimized LNC/CON/MRD sentinel etc. etc.

[Jinko]

Whats your point ?

Not everyone uses sentinel or can be bothered to level GLA for one skill, and they do just fine.

Yes you are rigth it becomes a whole lot easier with sentinel but its not required, just as its not required to XP for 8 hours staight.

FWIW sentinel looks like its been removed from the game in 1.20 so 1 down many to go ?

You have never partied for 3hours strait?

Probably not no, I find grinding the most boring thing around and lose patience after about 2 hours.