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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiote View Post
    Ranged Auto Attack mean that Archer's will have to do either a: Significantly less damage or b: significantly slower damage. Both are not worth while in exchange for no longer having the ability to shoot strategically. If they leave Archer Attacks at their current power they will be pulling hate constantly and dropping out of combat isn't really a reasonable solution for that.
    How is it not a reasonable solution? The only thing we're talking about here is being able to attack at will, and auto attack doesn't change that. All that's changing is that you don't need to press a button to shoot every damn shot, which is a welcome change to me. If you're taking hate on ARC you need to have a word with your tank, any class can go without holding back and not steal hate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddhsie View Post
    How is it not a reasonable solution? The only thing we're talking about here is being able to attack at will, and auto attack doesn't change that. All that's changing is that you don't need to press a button to shoot every damn shot, which is a welcome change to me. If you're taking hate on ARC you need to have a word with your tank, any class can go without holding back and not steal hate.
    It's not a reasonable solution because Auto-Attack initiates when you target your opponent. That means, to stop attack you will have to Untarget the enemy, do whatever it is you need to do, then retarget your enemy to begin fighting again. The other solution is put away your weapon. The short time that either of those actions take will make you gimped as a Damage dealer. Your role will be officially be restricted to pulling and buffing.

    Have you even considered what this is going to do to your ammo consumption? Or are you one of those people who thinks the magic infinite quiver should be implemented to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiote View Post
    It's not a reasonable solution because Auto-Attack initiates when you target your opponent. That means, to stop attack you will have to Untarget the enemy, do whatever it is you need to do, then retarget your enemy to begin fighting again. The other solution is put away your weapon. The short time that either of those actions take will make you gimped as a Damage dealer. Your role will be officially be restricted to pulling and buffing.

    Have you even considered what this is going to do to your ammo consumption? Or are you one of those people who thinks the magic infinite quiver should be implemented to?
    Actually, that's not quite right. you can have your weapon drawn and your enemy targeted without initiating auto attack. It's only when you get the "three diamonds" shape that auto attack is initiated. As such, you can be attacking, then push ESC once to cease attacking without untargeting, then push Enter later to resume attacks. Though, to be fair, you can't even buff or anything without the circle turning into the diamonds, but buffs aren't consumed by auto attack, so the only thing you should have to worry about is bind/sleep being broken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridiana View Post
    Actually, that's not quite right. you can have your weapon drawn and your enemy targeted without initiating auto attack. It's only when you get the "three diamonds" shape that auto attack is initiated. As such, you can be attacking, then push ESC once to cease attacking without untargeting, then push Enter later to resume attacks. Though, to be fair, you can't even buff or anything without the circle turning into the diamonds, but buffs aren't consumed by auto attack, so the only thing you should have to worry about is bind/sleep being broken.
    That's a good point I hadn't considered. So now, if you want to use a buff without attacking the enemy you have to Untarget the Enemy, Target yourself, lock in, use your buff, untarget yourself, target your enemy then perform whatever action you wanted. At least melee only have to back up..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiote View Post
    That's a good point I hadn't considered. So now, if you want to use a buff without attacking the enemy you have to Untarget the Enemy, Target yourself, lock in, use your buff, untarget yourself, target your enemy then perform whatever action you wanted. At least melee only have to back up..
    Actually, you only have to target yourself, buff, then target the enemy. Alternately, you can untarget the enemy, buff (thereby automatically targeting yourself), then target the enemy. You added three unnecessary steps. Also, if you're in a party and near max range, backing up will work just as well for ARC as it will for melee, meaning you added five unnecessary steps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiote View Post
    It's not a reasonable solution because Auto-Attack initiates when you target your opponent. That means, to stop attack you will have to Untarget the enemy, do whatever it is you need to do, then retarget your enemy to begin fighting again. The other solution is put away your weapon. The short time that either of those actions take will make you gimped as a Damage dealer. Your role will be officially be restricted to pulling and buffing.

    Have you even considered what this is going to do to your ammo consumption? Or are you one of those people who thinks the magic infinite quiver should be implemented to?
    Firstly, you can target the enemy regardless of whether u are engaged or not. All you do it hit escape, then you get the little circle target (and you aren't engaged) then you hit enter and you engage and the target symbol changes. This gives you full control over your auto attack without untargeting the enemy. If you're concerned about ammo consumption I suggest you play another class. The guys in FFXI who played COR without ranged attacking were useless as hell, I feel the same way about people like you playing ARC/BRD.
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