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    Please dont Unsync hw content next patch,system has already ruined the older content

    I've made a post about Castrum and Ultima , not realizing that the other content was just as bad. I feel whats going on is where as people who started playing the game sense 1.0 til now got three years of playing up to this point. New players now I think have cut that time into probably about 2 months. Because whats happening is Unsync has just taken over the older content making it irrelevant, is it ok that in a three year old game that only 25 percent of it is still considered relevant. Unsync to me has created a system of well you don't have to be good at the game , ur fc can carry you the whole way. For example I went pony farming, I have beaten garuda extreme, so I felt like i deserved it when I ran it unsync with my fc, when I got to titan I chose to roll on the mount because I didn't deserve it because I sucked at the fight. I think that if Unsync happens for hw content it will make the game even worse for players just getting by without knowing the fights.
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    I agree. I don't think that removing the unsync feature is the right thing to do, but SE definitely needs to re-evaluate the rewards for doing content unsynced. There also needs to be a far higher incentive to go synced and min item level than there currently is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    I agree.
    I tried to que in for crystal tower, binding coil, ifrit extreme got in once, the others I didn't even get in. Hec I even qued in to garuda with a party before, I was ready to go and other players where like lets reque and come back unsync so we wont whip. Its's really really bad , I did binding coil with my fc yesterday and I just knew that I was just destroy content that prob use to be pretty challenging. I totally agree with the vet rewards tho, I would of put in the heading but I ran out of space, but there needs to be way better rewards and plenty of them to make this content relevant again. It's just creating a carry me mentality if it took some vets months to get past certain content then as long as it doesnt prevent me from moving on in the story then let it take me that long. I want to be good, and I feel like that's a small percentage of the population now, and that vets dont even give others a chance sometimes.
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    Even if the old raids+trails weren't unsyncable it still wouldn't be relevent content. If you want a challenge just go do the level 60 stuff. This is just the sort of game XIV is, content cycles out of relevence as new stuff comes in, being able to unsync stuff is only part of that and personally running content with less than the required number of members via this feature has been some of the most fun I've had.

    If you STILL want to do the 50 content as it was intended then you're gonna have to find like minded people who are willing to do the content synced with you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moururii View Post
    Even

    If you STILL want to do the 50 content as it was intended then you're gonna have to find like minded people who are willing to do the content synced with you.
    So do you think this creates a system for people staying around as long as the people that have stayed around sense 1.0? Whats fun about beating a boss that you could die to if you did as intended but unsych you can kill within a minutes time. I'm saying that whats happening is you are cutting the game down more and more, when the new patch comes out nobody is gona wana do arr, or hw. Because nobody is gona care , lets be honest here alot of people don't raid , I dont see how it helps the game to where people can literally get through the content in less than a month. And I don,t want to only do 50 content I want to do all content I want to be good at the level 60 dungeons just like I am in the level 15 one. Unsyc just takes the competitiveness out of the game.
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    You're ignoring that it's not unsyncing alone that creates this situation. If you went to do Bismarck Ex or Ravana Ex now you would crush it and have a far easier time than it was at release. Unsync was created to make older content accessible to a larger number of people, this was particularly for the sake of Coil which has important plot that many people could not access.

    The ability to do this content properly HAS NOT GONE ANYWHERE. At the same time they enabled undersized parties they also enabled the option to sync down to the minimum ilvl so if you really want to do this content properly, there you go. Once again I have to tell you that you'll need to find people willing to do the content with you synced, this is really no different than before. Many of the people doing it unsynced now would not have done it synced back in the day, and people wouldn't be doing it synced now because there's no reason to beyond glamour/completions sake.

    This permeates through XIV's entire design philosophy, the way the vertical progression of gear works, the way crafting and gathering works, the way the old relic works. Old stuff either loses relevence or becomes more accessible, if you do not like that this is simply not the game for you. I'm not neccessarily defending this method of design, it has pros and cons, but it certainly seems set to remain the norm.

    So yes, you can chew through all the 50 content very quickly, but there is still an entire endgame at 60 that will take up your time and the 50 content is NOT a natural difficulty progression into that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moururii View Post
    You're
    I totally understand what your saying but your missing what I'm saying, which is that vets want new players not to suck well guess what when you run everything Unsync its bound to happen. I'm saying wt simply isn't doing enough to make it to where its really worth it , what the other guy who posted said is their needs to be better rewards for doing it as intended. Do you really think that someone that's done Unsync everything up to Alexander is gona be able to do it properly when you actually cant ignore mchs . I did binding coil yesterday like I said with my fc I was a whm didn't even go below half health finished the first five turns in less than thirty minutes. What my post is saying is if they continue the trend with hw you are basically making i dono maybe like 50 to 70 dungeons and raids mean nothing you might as well take them out of the game. I was against a jump potion before now Im for it with Unsync basically the samething.
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    From what I've seen un-sync is what encourages veterans to do a lot of this stuff they'd normally ignore, so by all means keep it. Content naturally becomes irrelevant in MMO's, and the compromise the devs have made with things like unsync and the roulettes and such seem to have worked in the sense you can get veterans to help out newcomers with obsolete content. I'll take the crumbs of accessibility thrown my way!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyraele View Post
    From what I've seen un-sync is what encourages veterans to do a lot of this stuff they'd normally ignore, so by all means keep it. Content naturally becomes irrelevant in MMO's, and the compromise the devs have made with things like unsync and the roulettes and such seem to have worked in the sense you can get veterans to help out newcomers with obsolete content. I'll take the crumbs of accessibility thrown my way!
    so as a newer player do you feel like running the content unsyc will prepare u for it in its normal method , because id say its two totally different things and for instance if you ever do trial roulette or , extreme roulette and you go in and all you've done is run it unsyc. Then what could happen is those same vets that carried people through will get all pissed and abandon duty because players dont no how to do it.
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    I'll run those unsync to learn it, if others can be found to do it. Whether or not I've run it unsync (or even at all) I'll tell the party I am new and ask for pointers/corrections, if they bail at that, that's fine by me as we'd be wasting one another's time (they want a fast run that I can't guarantee and I want patient party member which they clearly are not). What I won't do is call for removal of a feature that many people like in order to cater to me being new and wanting to party like it's 2013. I accept that I am late to the party and will do my best within the systems/culture that exist.
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