Viera as the next new race~ Show your support

[dragonseth07]

I think we can agree if people are going to quit this game it would be highly unlikely to be related to the selection of playable races. That said, the game's population is growing just fine without, 'Diverse,' races. Its more the gameplay than the races which attract players, so you're making an entirely different argument. Very few people are the sort who would go out and buy a game just because of its selection of playable races. I think we can also infer that if such had ever been SE's intent, then the polls regarding a new race from four years ago would've targeted players who WEREN'T playing the game rather than those who were.

Yeah, but diverse race selection is a big selling point in many modern MMO's. It's an attractive feature to many players.

[Vexander]

Right, but what is the point of making another iteration of what we already have? It's a waste of time and money.

People would play it, but it would be the same people playing their cat/dragongirl waifu right now.

Honestly, that's a good question, and I doubt there is a good answer other than adding another iteration that is diverse from the current selection. Au Ra, for example, became highly popular with the female option, but not the male. At the moment there really isn't a male counterpart to Au Ra female in terms of height and build and aesthetic.

[Kaitoo]

Right, but what is the point of making another iteration of what we already have? It's a waste of time and money.

People would play it, but it would be the same people playing their cat/dragongirl waifu right now.

qft, basicly this

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why bring examples then that doenst contribute to anyhting? would make sense if would said" i want new races asap!", which i didnt



Again, that people play mostly atm. cat girls i already agreed, thats the whole reason for the argument because we have already this in the game.


The population of the game is currently not growing as far as i know, but not relevant to the discussion. Also, again, you should read the quoted post, i am not saying they should introduce new races. Im against it. HOWEVER IF they have the unending need to introduce one, yes it is a more unquestionable smart move for Square Enix to make a race with the priorty to lure people in which are not playing atm. rather adding a race that is pandering to something for people which already play and have in abudance. Also you are 100 % wrong on diverse race selection is not a big selling point, any ssecond mmo and the biggest one right now is marketed with this.

Also square, as you self said, obviously dont care of pols and do what they want anyway.

So tldr: i quoted someone who said why are people against viera. I told why i am against viera and you seem to not to bring a argument against it. At most, you are saying investing ressources in non viera is and something more diverse is not a safebank, which is arguable and fair, but doenst change my point. which result in the following: No need for viera and ressources could be used on other things better, which is the reason for non viera support

we done?

[Khaoticsuccubus]

Right, but what is the point of making another iteration of what we already have? It's a waste of time and money.

People would play it, but it would be the same people playing their cat/dragongirl waifu right now.

Ironically enough by adding more of what we already have they would actually accomplish making the game more diverse... as far a played races go.

If you think of it like this, and I'm going to be pulling numbers outta thin air here, that the percentage of hyur and miqo together pre HW made up something like 60% of the playerbase making them both roughly 30% apiece. Then, by adding Au'ra (who are largely similar to those 2) the population while maintaining that 60% is now something like 20% Hyur, 20% Miqo, 20% Au'ra.

In this way you have added diversity among the playerbase, even if the diversity you added isn't all that unique in and of itself.

[Vexander]

we done?

Somehow I doubt it since you -still- fail to grasp the subject matter here.

For the heck of it, let's bring up the #1 MMO on the market right now, World of Warcraft. It boasts a, 'Diverse Race Selection,' for playable characters. So, when we look at their numbers, what do we see?

For the Alliance, Human is the most played race, followed by Night Elf, then Draenei.
For the Horde, Blood Elf is the most played race, averaging somewhere just above or below 50% of the entire faction.

So looking at this, DESPITE WoW's, "Diverse Racial Selection," we again see players gravitating towards a specific kind of aesthetic when it comes to their race selection. Oddly it rather well fits what's going on over here with Miqo'te/Midlanders/Au Ra Females. Same kind of trend you saw back in GW2 as well with Humans. Funny enough, one of WoW's most popularly requested races is -High Elves-, an EXACT DUPLICATE of the existing race of Blood Elves, because players want to play on the Alliance, rather than the Horde, with their Elves.

Its not a difficult concept to grasp that a lot of players like a particular aesthetic, and proof of this is littered across the numerous games and MMOs out there.

[Kaitoo]

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I think im gonna ignore you because you either trolling at this point or have a problem with basic understanding. Lets go through this dialogue a last time in vain effort:

- Im answering to a guy who wants to know why people are anti-viera

- You quoted a post of me which i think there should be no new Race introduced to this point at the game

- IF Square Enix is feeling they absolutly need one, a non viera one a more diverse one would be better

- You are saying people play most aura girls and cat girls so people would like viera more


- Im saying YES and because people already play it and are catered with this from a business point to appeal to a customer base which is not catered base is better, again IF they absolutly need to introduce a new race you even agree (thank god) that "nobody" would quit because there is no waifu race in a expansion

- You then totally ignore that i said my primary argument was there should not be a new race at all and say race diversity is not a selling point, which is again simply false

- I say, only to correct you, that this simply factually wrong, companys advertise their game with race diversity

- then you basicly hop to a time machine and go back to point 4 of this list and say but in wow people request mostly high elfes. and i am sitting here like wtf because thats has no relevance what so ever *



*This has nothing to do wit the viera thing but to the whole wow thing:

Now lets ignore that wow HAS already a diversity in races; That this actually a counter argument for yourself because horde was the most played faction prior to the introdicion of the blood elfs, showing people choose it despite allaince having all the waifu races.

[Vexander]

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I think Khaoticsuccubus said it best really. An additional popular race is still offering diversity by giving people other options within the aesthetic they like. That said I find you incredibly abrasive. If you're getting frustrated by a discussion, perhaps you should step away from the computer for a while? Also.

Now lets ignore that wow HAS already a diversity in races; That this actually a counter argument for yourself because horde was the most played faction prior to the introdicion of the blood elfs, showing people choose it despite allaince having all the waifu races.

You do realize Horde was the lesser played faction in Vanilla WoW, so severely underplayed that it was a major issue for Horde players to be able to dungeon and raid and PvP? Blood Elves were added to the Horde -specifically- to balance out the imbalance in player population, and it was a success.

[Kaitoo]

I think Khaoticsuccubus said it best really. An additional popular race is still offering diversity by giving people other options within the aesthetic they like.

Which was already again, something come up last page, i agreed, said it is a collesal waste on ressources, which you couldnt disagree becase, AGAIN, you hoping on your time machine and going again for "people are playing cat girls". Wow now the people that play cat girls can play bunny girls, well done yoshi p, fixed the going back population since Heavensward. You know that expansion which had the dragon waifu girls you dont fail to mention 12 times.

That said I find you incredibly abrasive. If you're getting frustrated by a discussion, perhaps you should step a

The only abrasive thing here is your refusal tho quoting people and not read there post to make only a argument just because. Im done with you, everyone can read that you didnt brought one argument to justify introducing viera races, why even bother if you build strawmans and side disucssion which doenst have to to with aanything.

[Alacran]

I provide you one, only to be get ignored to contuinie this thread next page cause vieras:

Races in MMOs, and especially in FFXIV, are most times a non factor when it comes to story and gameplay, so the only really determining factor are the aesthetics. Again, this goes even more for FFXIV where origin is based for example per class starter zones instead of race starter zones and there are no racial bonuses or skills. I only mention this because you seem under the impression that this somehow even remotly comprable to other things which introduce other game concepts like TT or battle hall. Also your concept art argument does not make sense after how the whole AuRa thing turned out. Also the only concept art of viera are female which leads to my next point:

Now we have a abundance of Animal people with 99 % Human pyhsique and animal ears in the game, one recently introduced in the last expansion. And as it s common knowledge, and the team confirmed this, making a new race and implementing all this stuff is quite a workload, which ofc means other things getting the shaft.

Conclusion: If they gonna introduce a new race, something i have no personal desire whatsoever, they should make something that aesthetically (since thats the whole point of races in ff xiv) we dont have and appeal to people which are not catered by that what we already have instead of other *sarcasm* waifu race *sarcasm off*

To you and anyone else who want more diverse races. What are you looking for? I want an example. Show me some art, i want to see what is felt to be lacking in diversity in this game. I want to see the form and face the dev team will need to animate to express emotion and use to get the un important narrative across to the player.



Conclusion: I want to see what a Bangaa, Seeq, Numu, Qu, Kobold, ect... look like in this scene and what suggestions the dev team could use to get the same emotions from these unique races as the other current established races.

[savageink]

Conclusion: I want to see what a Bangaa, Seeq, Numu, Qu, Kobold, ect... look like in this scene and what suggestions the dev team could use to get the same emotions from these unique races as the other current established races.

Animating emotions can be done on anything. It's part of an animator's skill set. I don't find this argument to be one for or against either side here. One of the earliest tests used for Disney animators was to animate a flour sack to show different emotions. If the animators can't get you to see what the character is feeling they might need to hire better animators.