Multiple linkshells suggestion.

[Alhanelem]

[ctrl]+[shell n] everytime I want to say something to a shell

You don't have to macro it. You can bind it to a single key.

I've switched chatmodes less times, pressed less keys,

You didn't press less keys. At best, if it's a two-letter text command, you've pressed the same number of keys.

Even if you're sending only one message to a different LS (I personally would find this to be extremely rare), it's STILL less keypresses to switch back and forth. The more messages you send to the other LS, the better the new method becomes.

every time no matter how you wanna try to argue it^^

Actually, it's not. It's equal keys, or less. I'll even use your commands (which are too short and could be typed accidentally)

Hey there
what's up
/2 yo guys
ah cool
sweet

vs

hey there
what's up
*hotkey 2*
yo guys
*hotkey 1*
ah cool
sweet

Thhe lower method is STILL fewer keys (3 keys when you include the space for the text command.

We can back and forth this all day if you want, but the fact is, there's nothing wrong with SE's implementation and I can't believe how whiny some people are being. This change is going to come out, you'll use it and it'll work fine, and people will won't even talk about it.

I understand why you're saying the need to switch back is less convenient, but it's not. Perhaps very slightly less intuitive, but that's about it.

as someone pointed out earlier hot keys exist for party, shout, say & linkshell. so do you.....

Actually, i'd be more likely to have shout already on default, but that might just be me having a quiet linkshell. I don't currently have those hotkeys set, but I also don't switch chat modes much because I don't have a busy LS and only really party for dungeons/BC fights.

The only thing I'd like more than what we're getting really, is if the second chat window had its own input box. Typically that one is set to show LS chat only, so I'd like to be able to just type into that box to chat LS and type into the main box for shout/say. Its not really more efficient, but it is intuitive and logical.

[Enfarious]

You don't have to macro it. You can bind it to a single key.

You didn't press less keys. At best, if it's a two-letter text command, you've pressed the same number of keys.

Even if you're sending only one message to a different LS (I personally would find this to be extremely rare), it's STILL less key presses to switch back and forth. The more messages you send to the other LS, the better the new method becomes.

Actually, it's not. It's equal keys, or less. I'll even use your commands (which are too short and could be typed accidentally)

alt+tab gets pressed accidentally too, that's not the point though.

Hey there
what's up
/2 yo guys
ah cool
sweet

vs

hey there
what's up
*hotkey 2*
yo guys
*hotkey 1*
ah cool
sweet

The lower method is STILL fewer keys (3 keys when you include the space for the text command.

Ok based on having a single hotkey, which would make sense here? maybe just "1" for my first shell, so yeah I suppose we get the same effect, but rather than /1 just the 1 and hopefully I remember the /p to talk to my pt again afterward.

We can back and forth this all day if you want, but the fact is, there's nothing wrong with SE's implementation and I can't believe how whiny some people are being. This change is going to come out, you'll use it and it'll work fine, and people will won't even talk about it.

Really why is it whiny, aside from you seeming to want to argue, and of course me needing to kill some time and thinking this is fun for the time being. These are simply opinions, people sharing what they think, I've yet to see anyone stomp and cry about how they "won't" use this new thing. All I've seen up to this point is people tossing ideas that they think might make things better.

I understand why you're saying the need to switch back is less convenient, but it's not. Perhaps very slightly less intuitive, but that's about it.

Really by all definitions less intuitive means learning which means inconvenient, when compared to something that I/we have been doing for a period of time already.

Actually, i'd be more likely to have shout already on default, but that might just be me having a quiet linkshell. I don't currently have those hotkeys set, but I also don't switch chat modes much because I don't have a busy LS and only really party for dungeons/BC fights.

So if that's the case hitting "hotkey" msg "hotkey" "/sh" would be even less convenient for you ... than "/1 yeah I agree"

The only thing I'd like more than what we're getting really, is if the second chat window had its own input box. Typically that one is set to show LS chat only, so I'd like to be able to just type into that box to chat LS and type into the main box for shout/say. Its not really more efficient, but it is intuitive and logical.

That's not a bad idea, I don't have my logs setup that way, but it wouldn't be all that hard to make them that way, then the only problem would be that PS3 thing w/o a mouse, or those that use gamepad/kbd and sit away from their machine while playing, on a big screen or something.

Really though, why did you not just say, "That's not a bad idea maybe they should incorporate both." cause through your post you said that what I was saying wasn't bad?
Is it just that you needed to lash out at something cause you were frustrated by this maintenance we're waiting on?