How did Xande defeat the Dragon King, Bahamut?

[RockGodOne]

I read up on Tiamat and Bahamut lore and I guess the Allag were able to revive Xande to help them defeat Bahamut and were successful? How could someone like the ST final boss beat someone such as Bahamut?

[FJerome]

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My serious answer, though, is that the real Bahamut wasn't just out to defeat Xande, he was trying to protect his people, both dragons and humans. Xande didn't have those same concerns so he could go all-out while Bahamut, as powerful as he was, couldn't without killing the people he was trying to save.

[rjspencer4]

Isn't the primal Bahamut stronger than the original?

[Keever]

According to the Lore book, by summoning masses of Voidsent into vessels through his covenant with the Cloud of Darkness. Fallen soldiers were reanimated by voidsent possession, an endless army of ashkin at last overwhelming the Primal Dreadwyrm.

[myahele]

I would not underestimate the power of Xande, but we have to consider which Bahamut we're talking about? The real/ original one or the Primal?

The original Bahamut may have been the strongest of the 7 brood, considering that his death was what convinced everyone to summon their respective Eikons to defend against Allagan incursion.

The lore book says that it was the Voidsent army (via CoD covenant) that was that main reason that Bahamut Primal was eventually captured. With the Voidsent actively possessing Meracydians and turning them into undead thralls to fight him + the resulting lack of crystal and prayer that caused eventually weakened Bahamut Primal enough to be defeated by Omega

[Anonymoose]

Myahele makes the semantic point - which Bahamut went down how.

The latter is easier; the Ascians manipulated Tiamat into escalating the war and setting the stage for the next Calamity. Once she'd taken the bait, they assisted Allag with capturing the primal shade she'd summoned. The minions of the Cloud of Darkness and the huge technological advancements of the Aetherochemical Research Facility (Ultima and Omega especially) finally got the job done. Great power can be whittled away if you have the resources for attrition.

The former, the true Bahamut, is a bit harder to pin down, for the tale lumps the fall of Bahamut in with the fall of the Meracydian Horde in general, at the hands of chimerical abominations of Allag. Which? Take your pick, I guess. All of them? Notice, though, that the book gives heavy of accolades to the performance of the mechahydra (Kaliya) with respect to that phase of the campaign. If Kaliya was fit to guard Dalamud's control room, I'd imagine they fared quite well in the battle against him.

[Zohar_Lahar]

Now that Omega is about to be reactivated, perhaps we'll find out how it was used to contain Bahamut and the Warring Triad.

[RockGodOne]

Isn't the primal Bahamut stronger than the original?

That's what I was thinking but couldn't find confirmation on it? Would make sense tho.

[Anonymoose]

That seems like a realistic guess, but ... now that you mention it, I think it might be hard to call definitively.

The seven celestial dragons (aka the first brood) have a level power power that is correlated to their age. If any dragon lived to be as old as the first brood, they would in theory rival their power (according to an old Dengeki interview). Since only the first brood is almost as old as time, what can really rival them?

On the other hand, the primals of Meracydia are such a threat because of the severity of their summoners' desperation. When the zeal of prayer becomes spiritual aether (a primal's power reserves), and the prayers being offered are those required to throw back an unstoppable Empire with nigh infinite resources, those primals gain nigh infinite power.

Let's also not forget that a captured primal, like an unstable Elemental, is prone to rage. Some of the primal Bahamut's power was due to the fact he'd been contained for millennia. I'm not sure if it's possible to consider all of the factors that would play into a fight between Celestial Dragon Bahamut and Primal Bahamut on a level playing field in the Third Astral Era.

Not that that should stop a Pirates vs. Ninjas debate over what that fight might be like.

[Grayve]

Maybe not the right place for this, but does the lore book say with the First Brood on Eorzea wasn't enslaved by the Allagans?