Extensive Feedback: Healing in The Feast (4v4 Solo)

[FreeKingStefan]

Fact: White Mage can Knock a healer out of LOS of who they are healing, binding them for 8 seconds, and then follow it up with a sleep.

True, but they are sacrificing their own GCDs to lock down yours. It's no different than a PLD using stuns, a BLM using sleeps, etc.

Fact: Scholar and AST can not do anything to effectively counter this, nor can they retaliate vs the enemy healer.

This is false. SCH/AST can LOS, kite, position properly and Purify. You can even Esuna/Leeches/ED the bind of FA.

Fact: All healers are balanced perfectly fine for healing potency, with the exception of AST whose Noct shield is severely nerfed in PvP.

Not quite, the healing potencies are actually a bit unbalanced, in favor of WHM. However, AST and SCH are much better at healing themselves while under pressure, something which WHM is very weak at. While I agree that Noct is not in a good spot, it was extremely powerful before. If anything, the only change I would like to see here is an MP cost reduction on AB while in Noct stance.

Fact: Fluid Aura and Repose are not necessary in PvE, nor are they in PvP. WHM has just as many tools as AST/SCH have to stay alive without these abilities.

The first part of this is an opinion, not a fact, and while I won't take the time to sit here and count out the abilities to deny your second claim, I think you need to consider this, as I've stated before: AST/SCH are more effective at keeping themselves alive while under pressure with no assistance from their team.

Fluid Aura, which is a 30s oGCD ability, cannot be compared with ones that are on 2-3 minute CD's. Not to mention the fact that CO is a stun, which has its DR shared by 90% of classes, and only lasts 2 seconds, not the potential 24 seconds of FA + sleep.

Except that it can be compared with other abilities...And if you are letting yourself get CC'd for 24 full seconds, you have a ton of personal skills to work on. Also, if you are being chain CC'd like that (without the ability to E/L/ED or Purify or move your keyboard/controller) then the WHM is putting them and their team at risk by wasting 3 GCDs and their own self peel.

Another thing you are not taking consideration is this: If the WHM is choosing to use Fluid Aura offensively (on the healer in this case) then they do not have it for defense, and are extremely open to getting piled on.

[Koltik]

True, but they are sacrificing their own GCDs to lock down yours. It's no different than a PLD using stuns, a BLM using sleeps, etc.

It is completely different. FA is instant cast on a very short cooldown. Sleep has a cast time. Stun has a DR that is shared with 90% of classes, and is on their global CD. Knock back has no DR's whatsoever, and Bind is not shared with many classes.

This is false. SCH/AST can LOS, kite, position properly and Purify. You can even Esuna/Leeches/ED the bind of FA.

This is only true if you have no other debuffs on you. If you have other debuffs, which you will since, well, it's PvP, then you can't just instantly get rid of the FA bind. You can cleanse it all day and not get it, especially if enemy DPS are using dots and debuffs like they should be.

Not quite, the healing potencies are actually a bit unbalanced, in favor of WHM. However, AST and SCH are much better at healing themselves while under pressure, something which WHM is very weak at. While I agree that Noct is not in a good spot, it was extremely powerful before. If anything, the only change I would like to see here is an MP cost reduction on AB while in Noct stance.

So you admit that WHM has more healing power than AST/SCH, yet still think they need CC on top of that?

The first part of this is an opinion, not a fact, and while I won't take the time to sit here and count out the abilities to deny your second claim, I think you need to consider this, as I've stated before: AST/SCH are more effective at keeping themselves alive while under pressure with no assistance from their team.

This is just false. AB isn't going to heal a thing when you have any competent DPS on you, let alone an entire team. WHM at least has Asylum, Medica 2, Regen, Prism, Knock Back, Sleep. Way more going for them than AST.

Except that it can be compared with other abilities...And if you are letting yourself get CC'd for 24 full seconds, you have a ton of personal skills to work on. Also, if you are being chain CC'd like that (without the ability to E/L/ED or Purify or move your keyboard/controller) then the WHM is putting them and their team at risk by wasting 3 GCDs and their own self peel.

Again, attacking me and not the argument. Do you ever stop?

White mages can CC for up to 24 seconds every 60s, and then interrupt every 30s via FA. AST can cc via a stun for 2 seconds, assuming no DR's, every 2 minutes.

Stun DR is 60s, purify is 90s. You can do the math on this one. It's not always available for stuns, let alone binds, full swings, sleeps.

Another thing you are not taking consideration is this: If the WHM is choosing to use Fluid Aura offensively (on the healer in this case) then they do not have it for defense, and are extremely open to getting piled on.

You do not need Fluid Aura to survive as a white mage, that is the entire point. Is it helpful? Definitely. Should WHM have it exclusively? Definitely not.

[FreeKingStefan]

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This will be my last response to you. I am sorry, I wanted to open up a discussion, but you are repeating your points in circles and only picking half-points to respond to (Like how I say WHM has higher potencies, but is tougher to heal with under pressure, and you choose to focus only on their strength rather than their weakness.) In addition, you are simply crying for nerfs without any sort of compensation for the loss of WHM CC. I was open to hearing your ideas of how to re-balance WHM as a healer without CC, but you have not provided anything that can be considered such. Finally, you completely disregard anything I say and deem it as "attacking."

[Koltik]

This will be my last response to you. I am sorry, I wanted to open up a discussion, but you are repeating your points in circles and only picking half-points to respond to (Like how I say WHM has higher potencies, but is tougher to heal with under pressure, and you choose to focus only on their strength rather than their weakness.) In addition, you are simply crying for nerfs without any sort of compensation for the loss of WHM CC. I was open to hearing your ideas of how to re-balance WHM as a healer without CC, but you have not provided anything that can be considered such. Finally, you completely disregard anything I say and deem it as "attacking."

We've been running in circles for the past 6 pages, and it's because you keep regurgitating what you are saying and ignoring the facts that WHM has no less to survivability than an AST. That is your main argument, an argument that is just false and wrong.

[Praesul]

They should allow healers to use Cleric Stance in pvp so one of you will finally go down.

[Defeat]

The point that baffled me the most is "You do not need Fluid Aura to survive as a white mage.". One must either have not played much or at all as WHM to see how much it does help with surviving. For example, If you consider scenarios where Tetra and Benediction are on cooldown whilst focused by both melee and tank, being able to peel off at least one of them to hard cast cure on yourself saves you so many time. Judging a class like WHM without any factors going on does make them seem OP, so in this case I really believe you do need to consider them for others to get it.

[FreeKingStefan]

Strange. Half the people that responded to this thread are now banned from the forums?

[Zojha]

Strange. Half the people that responded to this thread are now banned from the forums?

There is only so much to be said about a topic before a discussion turns into an ouroboros. Silence is better than repetition.

[Bigceto]

Man im on the wrong dc I need me some of this NA salt

[Slib]

Strange. Half the people that responded to this thread are now banned from the forums?

I got tired of banging my head against a wall.