[1206] Water spells

[Antipika]

Well the description of THM says they control 6 elements. Might just come later!

It only say that in English, not in French/German/Japanese. So nope.

FR/DE/JP just use "multiple elements" instead of saying "six".

[viion]

A whole thread on this?

What about:
Umbral?
Astral?
Paralyze/Paralyna?
Slow?
Poison/Poisona?
Silena?
Guildskills?
Shockspikes?
Ancient Magic?
Dedicated Bind spell?
Spiritsong?
Raise/Resurrect? (current one says "may trigger prevention of Weakness and Brink of Death effects.")
Purge?
Shell?
Roaming Soul?

So many good spells just gone.


Also wtf is "Temporarily halves enmity and gradually restores MP." lol its no soughspeak! but i do like.

[DeadRiser]

A whole thread on this?

What about:
Umbral?
Astral?
Paralyze/Paralyna?
Slow?
Poison/Poisona?
Silena?
Guildskills?
Shockspikes?
Ancient Magic?
Dedicated Bind spell?
Spiritsong?
Raise/Resurrect? (current one says "may trigger prevention of Weakness and Brink of Death effects.")
Purge?
Shell?
Roaming Soul?

So many good spells just gone.


Also wtf is "Temporarily halves enmity and gradually restores MP." lol its no soughspeak! but i do like.

Some of these effects were moved into nukes and weapon skills. Some of these debuffs are only available through combos, further relying on teamwork and not zerging. I think it's a good think they got rid of so many of the spells we had, we just had WAY too many.

[Orophen]

So many good spells just gone.

Some of these effects were moved into nukes and weapon skills. Some of these debuffs are only available through combos, further relying on teamwork and not zerging. I think it's a good think they got rid of so many of the spells we had, we just had WAY too many.

Also, getting all of these spells before level 50 makes it hard for progression later on. You'll get your AM. It'll just be after level 50. More than likely another magic class will have enfeebles too. Because bunching every single spell that exists under 2 classes is pretty a crappy thing to do if you plan on having more than 2 magic classes.

[Firon]

Also, getting all of these spells before level 50 makes it hard for progression later on. You'll get your AM. It'll just be after level 50. More than likely another magic class will have enfeebles too. Because bunching every single spell that exists under 2 classes is pretty a crappy thing to do if you plan on having more than 2 magic classes.

That was a problem with XI like 5 classes using the same magic BLM RDM SMN PUP SCH.

[viion]

Some of these effects were moved into nukes and weapon skills. Some of these debuffs are only available through combos, further relying on teamwork and not zerging. I think it's a good think they got rid of so many of the spells we had, we just had WAY too many.

No mention of dark/umbral/astral/light
No mention of Paralyze
No mention of Poison
All BINDs are Exclusive
The only 1 slow is Exclusive
Theres no mention of Ancient Magic
Theres no mention of Guildskills

Theres no "Reduce mp cost by half", but there is "Reduces MP cost of next attack magic spell by half, and restores MP when cast is complete." which is a good trade off.

No mention of anything that does same thing Purge did
No mention of anything that increases duration of effect
No mention of anything that increases magic defense (unless defense is being used for both physical and magical)

Do not assume they just being spread out, actually read it.

Also, getting all of these spells before level 50 makes it hard for progression later on. You'll get your AM. It'll just be after level 50. More than likely another magic class will have enfeebles too. Because bunching every single spell that exists under 2 classes is pretty a crappy thing to do if you plan on having more than 2 magic classes.

As far as I'm aware there is no proof that we will get AM later, also we are not getting level cap increase at least until after 1.21 so that's way into next year.

Also You dont know when you get these skills, some of them could be level 50, you dont know.

[DeadRiser]

No mention of dark/umbral/astral/light
No mention of Paralyze
No mention of Poison
All BINDs are Exclusive
The only 1 slow is Exclusive
Theres no mention of Ancient Magic
Theres no mention of Guildskills

Theres no "Reduce mp cost by half", but there is "Reduces MP cost of next attack magic spell by half, and restores MP when cast is complete." which is a good trade off.

No mention of anything that does same thing Purge did
No mention of anything that increases duration
No mention of anything that increases magic defense (unless defense is being used for both physical and magical)

Do not assume they just being spread out, actually read it.

I did read it, because I said some. Why are you so butthurt? You know they had too many spells in this game to begin with. Half of the debuffs were worthless because battle doesn't work long enough and some don't even work on bosses.

The point of these exclusive abilities is so that we don't have -insert class here- exclusive parties. They want parties to need more than just 3 types of classes. And it seems like combat will be a lot harder. And just wait it out, they might add a couple more skills later. You don't know and neither do I. Quit being an ass because I made a simple observation.

[viion]

I did read it, because I said some. Why are you so butthurt? You know they had too many spells in this game to begin with. Half of the debuffs were worthless because battle doesn't work long enough and some don't even work on bosses.

The point of these exclusive abilities is so that we don't have -insert class here- exclusive parties. They want parties to need more than just 3 types of classes. And it seems like combat will be a lot harder. And just wait it out, they might add a couple more skills later. You don't know and neither do I. Quit being an ass because I made a simple observation.

I'm sorry but Slow + Paralyze were god sends, Purge was insanely useful for nuke PT's. Poison was nice way for range pull and good DOT. Shockspikes was wonderful for the stun effect, Spirit Song was insanely good for just about every encounter where you dont need to move (All nms outside of dungeons).

Dedicated raise spells were good to raise from the brink of a whipe, especially having control over your 30 minute resurrect which you can manage on chainspell.

Umbral/Astral is pretty much the only spell THM has atm and it far beats elementals on a lot of things, it is also highly unlikely to be resisted due to its unique nature but they now get stuck with 2 basic elementals.

And Shell, well that speaks for itself.

I guess you just really dont like to play your class very well, hell I'm a PLer and I take my class serious and play it to the fullest.

[AdvancedWind]

No mention of Silence as well, this is what worries me most for whatever reason.

[DeadRiser]

No mention of Silence as well, this is what worries me most for whatever reason.

And silence was SOOO useful for those pesky hippocerfs. Grrr lol