People not rolling in duties - can we do something about it?

[Brill_]

Instead of punishing people for trying to get the loot they want, how about eliminate the reason this happens. People prioritize the loot they want, so they wait for a bolt to be rolled on before rolling on anything else. How about letting people roll on everything, if you win the roll on multiple loot, the game lets you choose which one you want. The piece you don't choose, goes to 2nd highest roll. This way people can roll on everything without fear of missing out on their top priority.

[Derio]

Reduce the roll timers to 1 min

[Andres_Lonegrief]

You have the same ability, fight back!

Yes, it can be frustrating, but do you know what is even more frustrating? Doing something 100x times and still not getting your drop. When you could have been a little bit smarter and gotten your drop by gambling on other people's impatience.

Sorry but the "fight back" approach isn't going to work. It will just increase the number of people doing this. We shouldn't use frustration to justify our gambling and cheating. You are right when you say that doing something 100x times for a single loot is frustrating, but for every single person receiving what he wants there are plenty that will have to repeat the same thing again.

In the end, it's the game team that should take care of the community and "grow / educate" it, so what we should do is ask them to look into this and ease the process in order that people won't feel pushed towards gambling.


Doing justice by yourself replicating bad behaviour isn't going to make anything better.

[Taika]

Instead of punishing people for trying to get the loot they want, how about eliminate the reason this happens. People prioritize the loot they want, so they wait for a bolt to be rolled on before rolling on anything else. How about letting people roll on everything, if you win the roll on multiple loot, the game lets you choose which one you want. The piece you don't choose, goes to 2nd highest roll. This way people can roll on everything without fear of missing out on their top priority.

This would be the best solution if they would change something in the system. They should not lower the loot time because it would make things difficult for premade groups that are negotiating loot order. In the end I don't see this as an issue that necessarily needs any kind of change though, since we're only talking about few minutes in even worst case scenarios - which don't really happen that often (at least in my experience).

[LineageRazor]

Traffic jams due to players prioritizing different items (and holding back their lots on their second choices) is just something we have to live with. Five minutes on the timer is really not a big deal; just go make a sammich or something.

[aesteval]

My favorite solution for this is /sit

[Lan_Mantear]

Doing justice by yourself replicating bad behaviour isn't going to make anything better.

I don't see this situation to be as severe as you propose it to be.

The timer is there by design of the developers. It is well within my rights as a player to wait until the very last second to cast my lot so that I can get a higher chance of receving my loot. That is not cheating, and it shouldn't be considered as grieving other players.

The real issue here is the amount of time people have to wait. Like some people have suggested, SE just needs to lower loot timer on 8 man raids.

[Fynlar]

It's mostly because people have a priority of things to get. That's nature with weekly lockouts.

Assuming you're in A9 and want a bolt and would take a chain as booby prize.
The loot is: pedal, pedal, chain, bolt.

Now you would pass on the pedals and roll on the bolt first. If you hit a 90+, you sure won't roll on the chain before everyone else rolled on the bolt.
Because if you roll on both you may end up with the chain, instead of a bolt just because everyone rolled/passed on the chain first.

Now there's this other person who needs a chain and would take a bolt as booby prize...

I brought up this exact issue before with duties with weekly loot lockouts and I don't think anyone else in the thread actually understood.

But yeah, as long as those sorts of lockouts exist, it'll only serve to encourage this issue. I do exactly the sort of thing you're talking about, and I do it unashamedly because the drop lockout pretty much necessitates it unless you want to do potentially countless more runs of the same thing every week.

Also people, stop calling for 1 minute timers, that's just going to cause problems of a different nature and you know it.

The timer is there by design of the developers. It is well within my rights as a player to wait until the very last second to cast my lot so that I can get a higher chance of receving my loot. That is not cheating, and it shouldn't be considered as grieving other players.

The timer isn't there so you can grief other players (please just admit it, that's exactly what you're doing and your attempt at sidestepping only makes you look bad); it's to give people who might have needed a quick breather after a fight or watched a cutscene or whatever a chance to not miss out on their chance at the drops.

[Vaer]

If they really want to fix this, they just need to make it so nothing drops until everything is rolled on by everyone. It's usually a couple of people waiting for other drops, and you just need 2 people to hold up the entire group. (Both people waiting for opposite items) If things don't drop until everyone picks an option for everything it makes it pointless to wait because nothing will drop anyway.

Either that or making it more obvious who hasn't rolled.

[Andres_Lonegrief]

I don't see this situation to be as severe as you propose it to be.

The timer is there by design of the developers. It is well within my rights as a player to wait until the very last second to cast my lot so that I can get a higher chance of receving my loot. That is not cheating, and it shouldn't be considered as grieving other players.

The real issue here is the amount of time people have to wait. Like some people have suggested, SE just needs to lower loot timer on 8 man raids.

If something IRL prevents you from rolling, yes: that's why they set it like this. But if you are waiting on purpose then to me it's another story. In the meantime, for example:
1) People might lose gathering nodes (they'll come back, but they might have something else to do);
2) The raid group of somebody could get tired of waiting;
3) Your play-time might be almost finished (so you won't have time to try again, check retainers or do whatever you were planning to do);

It does affect other players, so I don't think it should something accepted or considered ok.. It isn't even a matter of people checking the stats on aryala as they are doing it even now in weeping city for the minions ...