People not rolling in duties - can we do something about it?

[Andres_Lonegrief]

This trend started back in 2.5 and is still happening. People clear the fight then don't roll, probably hoping people will leave out of frustration allowing them to obtain whatever loot they are after.

Can somebody do something about this? I know that doing the same turn of alexander or the 24men raids over and over again isn't the most exciting thing but sitting around waiting for 5 minutes isn't exactly what I'd like to do...

Am I the only one frustrated about this?

[Taika]

All, you can do is say "Please roll, afk" and then do something else while they probably keep not rolling.

[Youkulm]

All, you can do is say "Please roll, afk" and then do something else while they probably keep not rolling.

This, the roll timer is fine honestly. Just alt-tab or go do something else for now. It's only a few minutes. I've had it happen to me more than a few times, its annoying yes but I don't let it bother me that much.

The only time its really /abused/ is when people don't roll so they can't get kicked while doing nothing to contribute to the party ( most common in 24-mans )

[Andres_Lonegrief]

This, the roll timer is fine honestly. Just alt-tab or go do something else for now. It's only a few minutes. I've had it happen to me more than a few times, its annoying yes but I don't let it bother me that much.

The only time its really /abused/ is when people don't roll so they can't get kicked while doing nothing to contribute to the party ( most common in 24-mans )

I don't expect the timer to be lowered (even if it could be a solution), however I don't agree with you. I can understand if for whatever reason somebody had to leave before rolling: it can happen.

However, here I'm talking about people abusing of the timer so they can have more chances of dropping what they need. It's just unfair. Finding a work-around won't teach anything to these guys, they will just feel allowed to continue and might even get what they need (in a totally unfair way). If I need to repeat the same fight 5 times before I get my drop and each single time somebody is not looting immediately on purpose, then I would be wasting 20+minutes of game. In the end, it gets frustrating.

It's a game, we all agree on this. Then again, during a football match if the team with the ball doesn't kick off, then they will eventually lose the ball. So why should these players be unpunished?

[Neophyte]

It's a game, we all agree on this. Then again, during a football match if the team with the ball doesn't kick off, then they will eventually lose the ball. So why should these players be unpunished?

Yes, and for this situation there are time frames. As there are for loot rolls. Those are balanced between "People who willingly wait with their rolls" and "People who unwillingly wait with their rolls" (Cutscenes, DCs, quick Aryala to check stats again, discussion about loot [more likely in fixed groups]). Hurt the one group, hurt the other.

[Lan_Mantear]

However, here I'm talking about people abusing of the timer so they can have more chances of dropping what they need. It's just unfair. Finding a work-around won't teach anything to these guys, they will just feel allowed to continue and might even get what they need (in a totally unfair way).

I don't understand why this is unfair. Impolite? That's debatable. When you can do it as well, then it's not unfair. It is human nature to try to game the system. It's a trait that allows us to think outside of the box, and can often lead to innovative ideas or highlight flaws within a system. Don't get your panties in a bunch when it works against you. You have the same ability, fight back!

Yes, it can be frustrating, but do you know what is even more frustrating? Doing something 100x times and still not getting your drop. When you could have been a little bit smarter and gotten your drop by gambling on other people's impatience.

[Andres_Lonegrief]

You have the same ability, fight back!

Yes, it can be frustrating, but do you know what is even more frustrating? Doing something 100x times and still not getting your drop. When you could have been a little bit smarter and gotten your drop by gambling on other people's impatience.

Sorry but the "fight back" approach isn't going to work. It will just increase the number of people doing this. We shouldn't use frustration to justify our gambling and cheating. You are right when you say that doing something 100x times for a single loot is frustrating, but for every single person receiving what he wants there are plenty that will have to repeat the same thing again.

In the end, it's the game team that should take care of the community and "grow / educate" it, so what we should do is ask them to look into this and ease the process in order that people won't feel pushed towards gambling.


Doing justice by yourself replicating bad behaviour isn't going to make anything better.

[RosaLunaCelestia]

Im agree with you. Time go so faste on ff. We dont need the waste of time on waiting pple rolling finaly.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I think a simple fix would be to reduce the roll timer to one minute and include an obnoxious beeping sound (think low health Pokemon) to whoever hasn't rolled once the fifteen second mark is hit. What I like to do now though is sit right by the exit and post in chat "well, time to watch Youtube". Usually pisses them off.

[Leanna]

Add loot for everyone, problem solved.