The one thing I really want for Paladins

[Brian_]

The facts you use are not the only facts and are only true of 1% of the player base. Also you are looking at things as part of the top 1% of 10% of the player base. You need to consider what things look like for the average player not what they look like to just you.

Except I am the person here considering what things look like for the average player and you are not. Should everyone be required to use every single skill a job has to good effect? No. It's not reasonable to expect casual players to do that.

You have been pretty much preaching at the choir from the start and accusing them of being the devil's servants. I have bee trying to point out that that is what you have been doing.

First off, you implied that DV was unnecessary because healers could already handle eHP checks with DRK / WAR comps that don't have DV. I replied to that and pointed out how that's blatantly false. You then tried to reference some largely irrelevant example of Divine Judgement's required mitigation to support the incorrect assertion that DV is unneeded showing a complete lack of understanding of why DV is good.

You then said that they should buff DV to make people want to use it more and make the impact easier to feel.

I replied to that by pointing out how obviously short-sighted and self-serving that change is and the detrimental overall impact it would have on content tuning.

I've been saying DV is fine and it's fine that bad players can still function fine without it. It's a skill that becomes increasingly important as you get better at the game and that's perfectly fine. At the entry level, the job is easy to pick up and play and the intricacies of the job begin to shine at the higher levels of play. That's completely reasonable and hardly an elitist stance.

Are you aware that Crit-los are ~11k shields base right now and they are continuing to grow? A normal adloquium shield at i255 is ~3.5k and should be 4.5k+ at i270. With Defiance+Convalesence, an adloquium should be putting out a 5k+ shield and a Crit-lo should be putting out 16k+ shields. A 7k shield would only be about 55% more than a deployed boosted adloquium and have no change of criting into a 20k mega shield. Scholars are must have because there is no other way to get even close to their Crit-lo shields.

First off, SCHs are not must have because of crit-lo shields. You cannot rely on getting a crit and the basis of healing is consistency. They are a very strong healer because of their extremely efficient DPS, infinite MP fairy, efficient oGCD utilization, incredibly versatile healing-kit with excellent recovery tools, and great general utility on top of their raid mitigation.

Secondly, I specifically said stacking shield. When you stack DV with other shields like galvanize and noct shields (something you cannot do with a deployed adlo), you get an on demand crit-lo tier shield.

You cannot depend on a crit-lo. You play around the standard adlo deploy amount and a crit-lo is just a bonus. You also cannot always get (and should not always go for) a perfectly coordinated adlo-deploy on a conva buffed defiance warrior. With your DV buff, you are guaranteed an easy to activate 7k shield every 120s that stacks with galvanize / noct shields. That is a huge difference.

So again, I will explain the situation to you. Right now, content is tuned to make eHP checks challenging with the assumption that you can reliably but barely survive using our current tools. They already had to buff Noct AST in order to normalize the raid mitigation between different healer comps. When you suddenly introduce the ability to pump out a 10k+ shield on your party every 120s, either you change your tuning formula to account for that and turn PLD into a mandatory raid job like SCH was until they buffed Noct AST or you just allow DV to trivialize one eHP check every 120s. That's not good design either way.

Just like how the Scholar is the must bring healer because it can trivialize ehp checks? What you fail to see is that an improved DV could potentially change the meta so that Scholar is not must have allowing for Whm/Astro healer comps.

WHM / AST comps are already perfectly viable in early prog. What the DV change would potentially do is make PLD + X the only viable tanking comp. That's not a good thing.

Wrong. Currently the problem is not the difference between players who use it well and those who do not use it well. The difference is between those players who use it and those who fail to activate the ability at all. This is the difference between a Paladin who uses a GB -> RA -> RA and one that spams RoH, not the difference between two Paladins who use FoF at different points in the GB -> RA -> RA rotation.

Actually you are the one who is blind. You have been attacking me since I replied to a post complaining about the lack of impact that Tempered Will, Cover and Divine Veil has and pointed out that Divine Veil has a good (but low impact) effect with proper timing but far to many Paladins fail to see that impact or have that impact negated by the actions of others leading to them having a mental image of DV being "Nice, but not Necessary" in a large percentage of content and therefore stop using it.

Your GB>RA>RA example only proves my point. Currently, whether you use an optimal rotation or not doesn't matter for all the content except for A12S and maybe A11S. You are trying to imply that that's not okay. I'm saying it's fine that casual players can still clear content even without using every tool they have and yet I'm the elitist basing my opinions around the 1%? I'm the person here who is actually considering the full impact of your shortsightedness.

You can clear most content by spamming a single combo with a few CDs. Not every skill needs to be relevant at every level of skill. That's fine. It's a problem when certain skills like Cover and Tempered Will (and Clemency to a lesser extent) are not relevant at any level of skill.