ARC should not be a Bard

[MartaDemireux]

more random logic otw... u,u
When I list what an Archer is not, I'm talking about FFXIV's Archer...

New team, new game. At launch THM was the best healer, now it's CNJ. Don't think just because something is the way it is during an incomplete free period that it won't change drastically by the time the game is pay to play and more complete. They even did a poll when the teams changed asking how players would feel if they drastically changed the gameplay and other elements and most voters (I think I remember reading 89% but I could be wrong it was back in the spring) said that they would approve such a decision. If anyone was of the majority in that poll they shouldn't be complaining about any major gameplay changes being introduced now and in the future but rather embracing them as a new mechanic to try out.

And for the record, ARC wasn't even a strong DD at the beginning of the game. It was only strong just before Darkhold was released until about 1.18. That was a balancing issue from the start. ARC/BRD is still going to be a spike damage job if you take the time to read the new class and job descriptions:

They are capable of generating large amounts of damage in brief spans of time, but are less effective the longer a battle drags on.

That says to me that they can primarily be a DD, switching to BRD only when MP/HP is running low for fodder mobs. At a boss they can toss on the buffs at start while tank gets hate, do their large amount of spike damage and then reapply buffs while waiting for spike damage ability recast timers. Seems pretty solid to me.

[Lionheart]

New team, new game. At launch THM was the best healer, now it's CNJ. Don't think just because something is the way it is during an incomplete free period that it won't change drastically by the time the game is pay to play and more complete. They even did a poll when the teams changed asking how players would feel if they drastically changed the gameplay and other elements and most voters (I think I remember reading 89% but I could be wrong it was back in the spring) said that they would approve such a decision. If anyone was of the majority in that poll they shouldn't be complaining about any major gameplay changes being introduced now and in the future but rather embracing them as a new mechanic to try out.

And for the record, ARC wasn't even a strong DD at the beginning of the game. It was only strong just before Darkhold was released until about 1.18. That was a balancing issue from the start. ARC/BRD is still going to be a spike damage job if you take the time to read the new class and job descriptions:



That says to me that they can primarily be a DD, switching to BRD only when MP/HP is running low for fodder mobs. At a boss they can toss on the buffs at start while tank gets hate, do their large amount of spike damage and then reapply buffs while waiting for spike damage ability recast timers. Seems pretty solid to me.

again...
gld->pld
mrd->war
pug->mnk
lnc->rdg
arc->???

what does your brain suggest?
suppose SE still had to make any announcement do you really would think brd is the most natural job evolution?

let's keep going
why does the drastic change only applies to one class?
why isn't pug going to be a pup?
why isn't gld going to be thf?

because it doesn't make any sense just as arc->brd would never ever sound as natural as arc->rng... no matter what. It's so obvious I get blind every time I type it.

You said arc isn't top DD and I agree for it's clear enough. Still look at its abilities... is there something that suggest you it should cover any another role beside DD?

So is archer below other DDs such as mrd, lnc, pug because there are still things to balance but they just want to use this class to force brd introduction? Or was that intentional, to give it only DD/eva/enmity- actions as it should be one hell of DD but they were going to change it to a support job anyway?

Occam razor's principle should help you with this last question

[JudgeN]

And for the record, ARC wasn't even a strong DD at the beginning of the game. It was only strong just before Darkhold was released until about 1.18. That was a balancing issue from the start. ARC/BRD is still going to be a spike damage job if you take the time to read the new class and job descriptions:

I know I'm late but this is completely false pre 1.19 archer was the most powerful DD in the game period. Fully buffed 3 arrow light shot on the top of a BR stack would easily do 1.3k per arrow. The job was pure DD no buts about it, of course the problem was that pre 1.19 LNC/MRD did terrible damage. Now 1.19 MRD is best damn DD in game with high damage output, high HP, high defense, and etc. Archer is just pure shit to the point that 99% of archers dropped the job on Figaro.

I really hope that 1.20 brings all the jobs back into balance because right now its pretty messed up with OP MRD/LNC.

My opinion on this is that Brd is going to do the same damage as archer in 1.19 which we all know is terrible. I just don't see the job getting melee stats to do good solid DPS/Spike damage. The other factor depends on how long the buffs last. If it takes the FFXI path and the songs last a good minute or so then you won't have to do shoot anything. I want to try to be optimistic but this is SE we are talking about and they always seem to find a way to screw it up.

[Coglin]

It's simply retard... it is true that bards in other rpg often are bow 'n arrow users... but you can't deny that in ffxiv archer is just an heavy dps, it doesn't suit any other role. Archer is not a tank, not an off tank, not a mage, not a debuffer, not a buffer. So it simply doesn't make any sense to evolve it in a support class. o.O

Ok, I know it's to late to whine about it now and nothing can be done to change things at this point... but seriously if SE is interested in our feedback these are my 2 cents.

P.S.
Fear and Coglin's logic... my daily heroes *facepalm*

My logic? Are you refering to the logic Ius that makes me wonder wtf your blabbering about? Arc is not a heaver DPS. Have you played LNC or MRD or THM. Archers are not even close to the top of the list as a DD.

And yes they are interested in out feedback. Our feedback out weighs yours 10 to 1.

[Lionheart]

My logic? Are you refering to the logic Ius that makes me wonder wtf your blabbering about? Arc is not a heaver DPS. Have you played LNC or MRD or THM. Archers are not even close to the top of the list as a DD.

And yes they are interested in out feedback. Our feedback out weighs yours 10 to 1.

Sorry I wanted to say it was "meant" to be an heavy dps. Have a look at the whole action list and that should be clear.

[Coglin]

Sorry I wanted to say it was "meant" to be an heavy dps. Have a look at the whole action list and that should be clear.

Says who? If it was meant to be heavy damage then it would be, but it is not. You are making assumption, not only that, your makingfalse assumptions.

[Lionheart]

Says who? If it was meant to be heavy damage then it would be, but it is not. You are making assumption, not only that, your makingfalse assumptions.

assumptions based on facts. Again... look at action list http://ffxiv.zam.com/en/abilitylist.html?class=7
read them all and tell me it's was not meant to be a pure dps class...

they really wanted it to be something else or it's just bad balance? which is more likely?

[Imagene]

Love the new stuff. Anything to make archer actually useful in parties. On a more specific note, i like how our combo effects induce enfeebles; and with buffs we get enhancing abilities.

However though, this might have killed people's (and mine) hopes for ranger - and honestly, the bard abilities really seem a little slapped on. Almost as if they could've been a lancer/dragoon or gladiator/paladin skill with just a little thematic adjustment.

But keep it coming Yoshi-P! Ganbatte~! Seems like each class will have a little more character and be fun to play with new variety. Give us our new casters and thf/ninja and we're golden!

[Wevlum]

Yes I can see it and it is glorious. I quit ARC a while back then saw it was gaining BRD as a job and I'm back onboard~ It's going to be interesting.

EDIT; Also auto-attack now on /ra? (that's what I'm getting from the notes) I couldn't be happier...unless they were also giving us crossbows that turn into violins - don't try to imagine how that would work, just let the crossbow-violin symphony caress your ears. D:

[Zenaku]

what a kick in the nutz, can you really see a arc holding a bow with 2 hands, then start playing a harp or flute.... bah,.,,,

it seem the bow become a harp and then back to a bow so i guess it ok.