[dev1206] Class Reforms & Action Lists

[OMEGA_HACK]

They've been saying that all those spells were going to be redistributed. Also its been known since the Live Letter II that CNJ > WHM and THM > BLM (if you've played any FF game prior to you should have known that spell changing was in the air) Also it was wide spread rumor that the above class to job would happen when CNJ received those new healing spells and THM received a buff to its nuking prowess.

[LadySaeko]

My 1st post on Loadstone!!! YAY!!! XP

Just had to say wow to the changes ^^ can't wait to see the traits. I've been playing since launch & this is by far the most interesting patch I've read next to Materia Crafting. I'm definitely on board to start paying @1.20 because I can see I'm gona have a great time relearning or adjusting to the classes for awhile. That & SE already has my money for 3 months worth of crysta lmao.

A few things I don't know how to feel about just yet are

1. Lancer/Dragoon receiving an obvious Dark Knight key ability, but whos to say it wont be used by a future Dark Knight job on top of an even better one. (Dark Knight was my main DD in 11 for awhile, so I gots a little soft spot for it)

2. Barcher lmao I <3 the idea, concept & design, but from all the ARC I've seen in this new generation of mmo players most could barely handle the DD aspect of the class. Adding the support role on top of it just seems to be a bad joke in my opinion. Got a feeling this class/job will be heavily mocked & scrutinized from a vast majority of players who will hardly ever see a good Barcher being played outside of top teir linkshells down the road.

3. ; ; what did you do with my enfeebles lol you knew they where awful when everyone used items > spells to inflict effects on the monsters, so I hope they didnt go the route of "ohwell people didn't use them anyways, so it's ok to scrap it entirely". With the lack of water aswell it just makes me lean towards Arcanist - Red Mage getting the above :P along with Muskateer - Ranger, so the game can get back a 100% focused ranged DD. Guns/Bullets > Bows/Arrows anyways lol how do you pew pew without the bang?

Yoshi P has already proven to me that when he closes one door he opens a better one with the whole "I'm scrapping parts & most of the crafting system" lol soooo many people blew up & I almost did aswell being an ALC main & a large portion of my play ha been dedicated to crafting, but sure enough the door to materia crating opened up soon after everyone understood & was happy ^^ lol for the most part anyways.

Keep up the great work Yoshi ^^

[AlphaDragoon]

I like what I see for the most part. Glads still get screwed on attacking, but at least they now have massive enmity generation so there's a chance they won't get laughed out of the building in favor of Marauders.

I'm afraid for Pugilist being heavily MP based. We've already suffered through this issue pre-patch, and now with the inclusion of so many MP using attacks (MP draining modes, MP draining auto-attacks as Monk) we might be back in the same situation despite getting access to a much bigger MP pool, which is the only reason we still aren't suffering through running out of MP at the present moment. Featherfoot DOES NOT help with keeping MP up as it is a tiny restoration amount reliant on a dodge, just to dispel that illusion.

Does anyone know for certain, not speculation, what class Pugilist crosses with to get Monk? If they have access to say Conjurer then it shouldn't be too bad because that class unlike Pugilist actually has a dedicated, no requirements like dodge or hit them from the sides, straight up MP restore.

[Viridiana]

I like what I see for the most part. Glads still get screwed on attacking, but at least they now have massive enmity generation so there's a chance they won't get laughed out of the building in favor of Marauders.

I'm afraid for Pugilist being heavily MP based. We've already suffered through this issue pre-patch, and now with the inclusion of so many MP using attacks (MP draining modes, MP draining auto-attacks as Monk) we might be back in the same situation despite getting access to a much bigger MP pool, which is the only reason we still aren't suffering through running out of MP at the present moment. Featherfoot DOES NOT help with keeping MP up as it is a tiny restoration amount reliant on a dodge, just to dispel that illusion.

Does anyone know for certain, not speculation, what class Pugilist crosses with to get Monk? If they have access to say Conjurer then it shouldn't be too bad because that class unlike Pugilist actually has a dedicated, no requirements like dodge or hit them from the sides, straight up MP restore.

PGL is also getting access to an MP-draining WS to help alleviate the issues. WS8 in the list, if I recall correctly.

Edit: Ah, I see now that you actually reference that in your last sentence. . .

[OMEGA_HACK]

PUG30 gets Monk...where is everyone getting the idea that you need more than one class leveled to get certain Jobs? Seriously, not calling you out or anything but I've had to answer this question multiple times today, is someone or some website spreading false information or did I miss something?

Last I knew all the Jobs are direct 1:1 ratios to their respective classes. And you get the first quest for them @Lv30. If there has been new/changed information on this please point me to a link, I would like to read what I might have missed! D:>

[AlphaDragoon]

PGL is also getting access to an MP-draining WS to help alleviate the issues. WS8 in the list, if I recall correctly.

I covered that in my post, actually. It's a WS that has the possibility of restoring MP and only if you hit them from the sides. Pugilist/Monk seems to need a massive amount of MP, as much as spellcasters. Spellcasters get dedicated, linked to their class MP restore skills with no special requirements to get the MP back. If Pugilists use as much MP as a spellcaster (and it seems HIGHLY likely from these notes), Pugilist should have one too. Not cross class, a Pugilist skill. Either that or they need to ease up on all the "MP drain/MP use" they look like they're throwing around on Pugilists/Monks.

[Physic]

PUG30 gets Monk...where is everyone getting the idea that you need more than one class leveled to get certain Jobs? Seriously, not calling you out or anything but I've had to answer this question multiple times today, is someone or some website spreading false information or did I miss something?

Last I knew all the Jobs are direct 1:1 ratios to their respective classes. And you get the first quest for them @Lv30. If there has been new/changed information on this please point me to a link, I would like to read what I might have missed! D:>

devs said you will need marauder to get pld, and drg would have some other job attached to it.

[OMEGA_HACK]

Oh? is there a link to this information? (I recently moved to Chicago and just got my internet installed) so I missed out on a good chunk of stuff, I tried to follow it as much as I could from that FFXIV Buddy App someone posted on here a while ago...but alas!

[AlphaDragoon]

By the way, Monks should not, I repeat, should not have to use up MP to get kicks on their auto-attacks. Make that ability buff your attack power or something at the cost of draining MP, but please please PLEASE put kicks in their auto-attacks by default. Doesn't have to buff their attack when they have kicks, we just want the kicks so they actually look like martial artists and not boxers. Come on, SE.

[Physic]

Oh? is there a link to this information? (I recently moved to Chicago and just got my internet installed) so I missed out on a good chunk of stuff, I tried to follow it as much as I could from that FFXIV Buddy App someone posted on here a while ago...but alas!

uhh it was mentioned in a couple of places, and in multiple of his revent interviews

The example given was for unlocking the Paladin job quest. Players would first need to level the Gladiator and Marauder classes to level thirty and then complete a job quest.

thats from the rpgamer interview the mods linked, its in other interviews as well, where they mention dragoon being lancer and some other job, but im to lazy to look for it, just read the interviews, its sure to come up in more than one of them