[dev1206] Class Reforms & Action Lists

[Starlord]

Waiting for the Bayo/Rukki to come in here and straighten out the real fact... =)

[Kiote]

There you go again, saying he's lying when he's not. Even if it was true.. things change.. maybe he changed his mind? Maybe he was saying what you crybabies wanted to hear, so he can have a few weeks of peace " somewhat". If he said, what he said now in the Live Letter, "this" would still happen. People jumping to conclusions as always.

I'm not exactly sure where you come from or how you were raised. But where I'm from, Saying one thing and doing the exact opposite is called a LIE.

[DNO]

I don't see what I have to try out with the way CON is now.
What was said before the list was released:
"When playing solo, you can stay CON with you elemental nukes, but we give you White mage in party play, so you won't nuke there but heal, buff and raise."
I was fine with that, because I love doing both in different situations.

But what the list is saying now is:
"We took away pretty much ALL your elemental skills, even though the elemental aspect is what defines the whole class, lore-wise, so you are nothing but a dumb healbot in party AND solo."

That's not what I want to play, so I see no reason to stay.
What I wanted to play is what archer is now: A class able to deal a lot of dmg in one "mode" with hate-controlling skills, but a supporting class in another "mode" (Bard, in this case).
I don't have the motivation though to start Archer from Lvl 1 now though, because all the people I play with don't have low lvl chars, so I'd rather quit than paying for a game which forces me to abandon the class I loved.

point is.. no body cares so stop telling people and just quit. Lots more people love the changes and can not wait to actually PLAY them to see if they are cool.

[Starlord]

I'm not exactly sure where you come from or how you were raised. But where I'm from, Saying one thing and doing the exact opposite is called a LIE.

Not exactly sure where your insults come from but, Seeing as you fail to Comprehend that, we are still able to " Cross class" thus still able to have curing abilities, Weapons skills all of that, thus still able to " kinda make your own class while still making a class an " actual class". That is not lying btw.

[Kiote]

Classes will be able to equip Abilities from other Classes, allowing some openness. I imagine Job Abilities will supplant cross Class ones, rather than just expanding Class Abilities, thus focusing a Class' role. So, not seeing how we were lied to. Classes freeform but with distinct identity; Jobs fulfill specific role. Pretty straight forward.

Ok first of all, Most of the abilities in that list cannot be cross classes. So versatility is out the window.

Secondly, Repeatedly saying you will not change the fundamental play style of any given classes and then changing the fundamental play style of every class is a Lie.

Saying one thing and doing the exact opposite is a LIE.

[lenn1]

The problem here is we were told that the Solidification of Roles was going to be specific to Jobs.

We were told specifically and repeatedly, Directly from Yoshida, that the way our Classes played, as Classes, would not be fundamentally changed.

These Class overhauls, Blatantly disregard that statement which he has made as recently as Last Week and every week prior to that for months now.

Conjurer specifically, is a Glaring example of a Class that no longer, in any way, resembles what it used to be.

Lancer has also been changed so Dramatically that now instead of being a Tactical Damage Dealer they are now FFXI Dark Knight Style Glass Cannons. That not speculation is right there in black and white. They even have the ability that drains your own Health to increase attack power.

The simple fact is Yoshida repeatedly lied by telling us that Our Classes would not be fundamentally changed. He said that it would only be when you equipped a Job stone that your Class would become Something new that is tailored toward party play.

conjurers have always been healers with some nukes on the side, nothing has changed.

[AlexNiculaie]

I think your problem is your definition of "fundamental play style" probably differs from others.

[Starlord]

Okay, I'm done with this troll, Cry away, Accuse he's lying.. do as you will, your human, and that's quite fine.. but I'm exiting stage left of talking to you.

Anyways, back on topic.. I love these changes and I cant wait to see them in action.. then make my judgement then =).

[lenn1]

I'm not exactly sure where you come from or how you were raised. But where I'm from, Saying one thing and doing the exact opposite is called a LIE.

This is why there's a disclaimer in red letters before every official post saying things are subject to change.

[tymora]

All level 50s will be noobs on the day on 1.20.