[dev1206] Class Reforms & Action Lists

[Starlord]

The problem here is we were told that the Solidification of Roles was going to be specific to Jobs.

We were told specifically and repeatedly, Directly from Yoshida, that the way our Classes played, as Classes, would not be fundamentally changed.

These Class overhauls, Blatantly disregard that statement which he has made as recently as Last Week and every week prior to that for months now.

Conjurer specifically is a Glaring example of a Class that no long in any way resembles what it used to be.

Lancer has also been changed so Dramatically that now instead of being a Tactical Damage Dealer they are now FFXI Dark Knight Style Glass Cannons. That not speculation is right there in black and white. They even have the ability that drains your own Health to increase attack power.

The simple fact is Yoshida repeatedly lied by telling us that Our Classes would not be fundamentally changed. He said that it would only be when you equipped a Job stone that your Class would become Something new that is tailored toward party play.

There you go again, saying he's lying when he's not. Even if it was true.. things change.. maybe he changed his mind? Maybe he was saying what you crybabies wanted to hear, so he can have a few weeks of peace " somewhat". If he said, what he said now in the Live Letter, "this" would still happen. People jumping to conclusions as always.

[Kiote]

There you go again, saying he's lying when he's not. Even if it was true.. things change.. maybe he changed his mind? Maybe he was saying what you crybabies wanted to hear, so he can have a few weeks of peace " somewhat". If he said, what he said now in the Live Letter, "this" would still happen. People jumping to conclusions as always.

I'm not exactly sure where you come from or how you were raised. But where I'm from, Saying one thing and doing the exact opposite is called a LIE.

[Starlord]

I'm not exactly sure where you come from or how you were raised. But where I'm from, Saying one thing and doing the exact opposite is called a LIE.

Not exactly sure where your insults come from but, Seeing as you fail to Comprehend that, we are still able to " Cross class" thus still able to have curing abilities, Weapons skills all of that, thus still able to " kinda make your own class while still making a class an " actual class". That is not lying btw.

[lenn1]

I'm not exactly sure where you come from or how you were raised. But where I'm from, Saying one thing and doing the exact opposite is called a LIE.

This is why there's a disclaimer in red letters before every official post saying things are subject to change.

[Starlord]

This is why there's a disclaimer in red letters before every official post saying things are subject to change.

Exactly, EVERYTHING is subject to change.. Its not lying. :/

[Kiote]

This is why there's a disclaimer in red letters before every official post saying things are subject to change.

He has been saying that he will not change the play style of Classes in every interview he has done for months. This is not the kind of thing you can change over night. He would have known that he intended to do this at the very least a month ago.

Failing to retract the statement, or in his case continuing to make it is a lie. I'm sorry you people love Yoshida so much and refuse to admit he can make a mistake. But the simple truth is he keeps saying he wants our trust but he refuse to be straight with us. If he had said fromt he begin, Conjerer will become nothing but a healer it would have been one thing. But he said Conjurer would not change, White Mage would become a healer. That is a pretty considerable misrepresentation of the facts.

Classes are supposed to be for solo play. That is why he said he was not going to Change the Way they Played. These changes lean them so far toward Party play that soloing is going to be FFXI level ridiculous. Especially since all the skills you could cross class to make Soloing easier are now Class exclusive.

[JGwinters]

they didn't change any classes play style, removing abilities is not changing the play style, name one class whose play style was effected. GLD still tanks, MRD can tank and do DPS, LNC still is a DD with TP management, pug is still a fast attacking evade machine, Arch is still a ranged DD, Con is still a healing focus mage, THM is still a DD mage.

I may have missed it. Please point me to the abilities where LNC manages the enemy's TP? All I see is player-TP management. You didn't touch on any other support abilities so I guess I won't go into that.

[Krausus]

I may have missed it. Please point me to the abilities where LNC manages the enemy's TP? All I see is player-TP management. You didn't touch on any other support abilities so I guess I won't go into that.

if I meant enemy TP management I would have said enemy TP management, but right now with the Ifrit fight you do absolutely zero enemy TP management, and though we are loosing moonrise and twisting vice I dont consider that the fundamental play style of a lancer. Lancer IMO is a Mid ranged damage dealer, we just also had the ability to slow down and remove TP from the enemy which really isn't needed anymore.

[JGwinters]

if I meant enemy TP management I would have said enemy TP management, but right now with the Ifrit fight you do absolutely zero enemy TP management, and though we are loosing moonrise and twisting vice I dont consider that the fundamental play style of a lancer. Lancer IMO is a Mid ranged damage dealer, we just also had the ability to slow down and remove TP from the enemy which really isn't needed anymore.

I see, so that's your playstyle. Unfortunately for me mine seems to differ from the style majority has used. I guess that's understandable considering I don't really do endgame, so my priorities and needs tend to differ from those who only consider specific endgame fights.

[Griss]

Classes are supposed to be for solo play. That is why he said he was not going to Change the Way they Played. These changes lean them so far toward Party play that soloing is going to be FFXI level ridiculous. Especially since all the skills you could cross class to make Soloing easier are now Class exclusive.

Blood bath, Foresight, Invigorate, feather foot, Cure, Second wind, Sentinal, Basic nukes. All still very cross class-able. Hell in some cases there will be new options open to solo players.