[dev1206] Class Reforms & Action Lists

[Saiph]

I agree with 14 spells being way to few for magic class. They realy copied this from other MMOS where the mage classes have the same amount of abilities like any other class. The problem is here it doesnt suit Final Fantasy that much.
Giving Conjurer Wind, Earth and Water and giving THM Fire, Lightning and Ice is ok. But restricting mages so much by basicly taking away so many spells makes them just like any DoW class. The only diffrence left is that DoM use MP and DoW use TP.

[Kiote]

Grats, now you won't be added to a party for ANYTHING but healing as a CON.
Seeing as you have THM close to 50 too though, I bet you don't mind.

I wish people would stop bringing up other people Level 50s. So what We all have level 50s. That does not mean we dont want to play the classes again. That does not mean we don't care how these changes effect people who come after us. I for one want this game to be a success. I honestly thought Yoshida might have had a good idea with the class changes.

He has Failed Epicly

[syntaxlies]

Grats, now you won't be added to a party for ANYTHING but healing as a CON.
Seeing as you have THM close to 50 too though, I bet you don't mind.

i only got cons for healing anyway so nothing changes, lol

[Tacotaru]

I wish people would stop bringing up other people Level 50s. So what We all have level 50s. That does not mean we dont want to play the classes again. That does not mean we don't care how these changes effect people who come after us. I for one want this game to be a success. I honestly thought Yoshida might have had a good idea with the class changes.

He has Failed Epicly

Would you like me to link you to the butthurt report form so you can explain in detail to them the cause of your extreme butthurt?

[Katella_Avenlea]

I'm concerned, but maybe I'm overreacting. I guess we'll have to wait and see.. I'll reserve judgement, but I kinda feel the old FFXI ways creeping up again. I loved FFXI don't get me wrong, but some of the classes with the limitations being placed on them I'm really not sure how they are going to be able to solo or do leves on on their own anymore. The great thing about FFXIV was that you could solo a little bit, and you weren't forced to fight "Easy Prey" mobs for minimal exp when you didn't have enough time to invest in a full party that sitting. You could feel good about what you could accomplish on your own as well as feel awesome about what could be accomplished with a party.

I was hoping they'd stick to what they said and have classes being basically soloable and jobs being for party play, I was really excited for that, but it kinda looks like even the classes are going to be really restricted to things that really just leads into their assigned job's party role. I'm all for getting party type skills on the classes once in awhile, but many of these skills that are being applied to the diminishing skill list seem better for party type situations, which is great and all, but I still want to be able to play on both solo and party, and be able to interchange between the two roles as situations and time allows, and still have an option to be successful.


Kinda wish they would have separated out the skills between classes and jobs more and left each as it's own entity, but with similar attributes..

Just seems our utility classes are just becoming ghetto versions of their assigned jobs in some cases. I would very much like to be mistaken, so if there is something I'm missing or not understanding correctly please (kindly) tell me so I won't be thinking of this wrong, but this is my initial impression with what they've released.

[Starlord]

Would you like me to link you to the butthurt report form so you can explain in detail to them the cause of your extreme butthurt?

Yeah, Hes jumping to Conclusions for one, and for two.. saying Yoshi-P lied when hes doing the exact opposite is just making him look like an " Fill in blank"

[Kiote]

Jumping to conclusions, off that bat before the patch is even out yet. Makes anyones speculation/opinion/ assumed fact Invalid to you actually play the patch, That includes my Opinions and such as well. This happens every patch that gets annouced before coming out.. then when its out.. people are "okay" with it and move on... this is no different.

People like you fail to understand that there is no going back..

If these changes are awful when they are implemented, we are stuck with them. Yoshida doesn't have the benefits of trying something and then changing it if it doesn't work. They spent all that Credit on the release. He is literally on a forced march forward and can never look back.

If something looks awful to you, you need to speak up now. Once it's in the game, it's there to stay. They can adjust potency and difficult. Simple adjustment can be made in the future. A system overhaul like this is a one shot deal.

If it looks bad, speak up. You will not get a second chance.

[Starlord]

People like you fail to understand that there is no going back..

If these changes are awful when they are implemented, we are stuck with them. Yoshida doesn't have the benefits of trying something and then changing it if it doesn't work. They spent all that Credit on the release. He is literally on a forced march forward and can never look back.

If something looks awful to you, you need to speak up now. Once it's in the game, it's there to stay. They can adjust potency and difficult. Simple adjustment can be made in the future. A system overhaul like this is a one shot deal.

If it looks bad, speak up. You will not get a second chance.

People like you fail to understand that there is no going back..

Right back at ya, but have fun crying like a baby

[AdvancedWind]

-snip-

What has led you to believe soloing will be hard? In fact, I can foresee it becoming easier, as many of the "new" skills seem VERY useful, and there's still all the traits, which haven't been revealed yet.

Yeah, maybe conjurer will need to level THM a bit to get more nukes and maybe pug will need to learn those MP refreshers, but it's not like we currently have to level CNJ, PUG, LNC and THM to effectively solo with any class, right? Oh wait, we do.

[viion]

That's telling you that list is coming for 1.20.. Other WS/Abilities etc are coming along side with "Jobs"

That's worded as more coming to me.. but w/e =)

No it doesnt, i think it is fairly clear:

"The following is a listing of changes to actions planned for patch 1.20, along with those to be introduced alongside the implementation of jobs in 1.21."

Break it down.

The following (the above stuff) is a listing of changes for actions planned in the patch
ALONG
with those to be introduced (those job skills seen above) alongside the implementation of jobs in 1.21

Its saying here are the changes to Actions and since we only have classes atm it displays then and it is also displaying job skills along with it which will come with the implementation of jobs in 1.21.

Its clear. The way you are thinking about it, they'd be no Job skills shown because how you think of it, is that more skills with come along with jobs when they are released, but its showing all the skills there.

eg:

"Here is a list of 10 pies and 5 potatos. The listings are changes for the next patch along side the ones introduced in the potato system in the future patch."