[dev1206] Class Reforms & Action Lists

[Griss]

EDIT: Belay my last paragraph. My count is thrown off because of the funky indentations on comboed WSs. After recounting, each list seems complete. My apologies. It does seem that soloing as Gladiator will be painfully slow. Here's hoping that something can be done about that.

I think what threw you off was you were looking at abilitys and weapon skills differently. it was stated 15 ACTIONS per. an action being an ability, weapon skill, or spell.

I don't think soloing as a glad will be any more or less painful then it is now. Throw in cross classed skills and the mystery that is the class traits and it will probably be alright.

[Kiote]

I have a hard time with people who are upset about the solidification of roles, as there has been plenty of information regarding the roles the different classes will fill. There has been time to change course and modify your expectations.

The problem here is we were told that the Solidification of Roles was going to be specific to Jobs.

We were told specifically and repeatedly, Directly from Yoshida, that the way our Classes played, as Classes, would not be fundamentally changed.

These Class overhauls, Blatantly disregard that statement which he has made as recently as Last Week and every week prior to that for months now.

Conjurer specifically, is a Glaring example of a Class that no longer, in any way, resembles what it used to be.

Lancer has also been changed so Dramatically that now instead of being a Tactical Damage Dealer they are now FFXI Dark Knight Style Glass Cannons. That not speculation is right there in black and white. They even have the ability that drains your own Health to increase attack power.

The simple fact is Yoshida repeatedly lied by telling us that Our Classes would not be fundamentally changed. He said that it would only be when you equipped a Job stone that your Class would become Something new that is tailored toward party play.

[Starlord]

The problem here is we were told that the Solidification of Roles was going to be specific to Jobs.

We were told specifically and repeatedly, Directly from Yoshida, that the way our Classes played, as Classes, would not be fundamentally changed.

These Class overhauls, Blatantly disregard that statement which he has made as recently as Last Week and every week prior to that for months now.

Conjurer specifically is a Glaring example of a Class that no long in any way resembles what it used to be.

Lancer has also been changed so Dramatically that now instead of being a Tactical Damage Dealer they are now FFXI Dark Knight Style Glass Cannons. That not speculation is right there in black and white. They even have the ability that drains your own Health to increase attack power.

The simple fact is Yoshida repeatedly lied by telling us that Our Classes would not be fundamentally changed. He said that it would only be when you equipped a Job stone that your Class would become Something new that is tailored toward party play.

There you go again, saying he's lying when he's not. Even if it was true.. things change.. maybe he changed his mind? Maybe he was saying what you crybabies wanted to hear, so he can have a few weeks of peace " somewhat". If he said, what he said now in the Live Letter, "this" would still happen. People jumping to conclusions as always.

[SmokeyTheSequel]

I only have one thought on the mage stuff. Since CON is going to have all the heals and the nukes split down the middle, where is the heals for THM? Seems like THM is getting the real shaft with this because they are loosing debuffs,heals,raise etc and gaining 3 elemental spells... Why is this? Is it because you are making a new mage class? If it is, why are you once again gimping one class for another? I see a lot of people had a problem with CON losing its "lore" because they thought it was going to lose its nuking capabilities but it seems that they have catered to that and forgot about THM completly. This stuff is not final I know, but to me it just seems like they are really dumbbing down our classes to bring about these jobs. I was all for this change but now that I see what "Change" really is, I dont want it.. and its probably not going to change much anyway, unlike our current president that can be voted out after 4 years of promised change...

[DeadRiser]

The problem here is we were told that the Solidification of Roles was going to be specific to Jobs.

We were told specifically and repeatedly, Directly from Yoshida, that the way our Classes played, as Classes, would not be fundamentally changed.

These Class overhauls, Blatantly disregard that statement which he has made as recently as Last Week and every week prior to that for months now.

Conjurer specifically, is a Glaring example of a Class that no longer, in any way, resembles what it used to be.

Lancer has also been changed so Dramatically that now instead of being a Tactical Damage Dealer they are now FFXI Dark Knight Style Glass Cannons. That not speculation is right there in black and white. They even have the ability that drains your own Health to increase attack power.

The simple fact is Yoshida repeatedly lied by telling us that Our Classes would not be fundamentally changed. He said that it would only be when you equipped a Job stone that your Class would become Something new that is tailored toward party play.

[SIZE="7"]How did he lie? You can still cross class abilities[/SIZE]

[Miliant]

I've noticed that most class abilities are now class-exclusive, and I really don't get this. If the intention was to make the class vs. job choice a matter of versatility vs specialization, then the usefulness of classes has now been almost completely removed. The abilities that can be shared have been stripped down to basics (3 per class), and only WS are now freely tradable... most classes already have useful WS and need not borrow others.

Furthermore, since Monk is my favorite FF job, I must say don't like the Pugilist changes, personally. The elemental punches are just lame, moreso if they constantly drain MP. I'm not even sure how useful this may be to the overall damage in solo/party when you must choose between kicking or elemental punches to avoid a massive mp drain. I really could have thought of a million more useful abilities for a pugilist or monk than elemental punches. Creativity was nowhere to be found when rebuilding this class.

[AlexNiculaie]

Classes will be able to equip Abilities from other Classes, allowing some openness. I imagine Job Abilities will supplant cross Class ones, rather than just expanding Class Abilities, thus focusing a Class' role. So, not seeing how we were lied to. Classes freeform but with distinct identity; Jobs fulfill specific role. Pretty straight forward.

[Starlord]

Classes will be able to equip Abilities from other Classes, allowing some openness. I imagine Job Abilities will supplant cross Class ones, rather than just expanding Class Abilities, thus focusing a Class' role. So, not seeing how we were lied to. Classes freeform but with distinct identity; Jobs fulfill specific role. Pretty straight forward.

Exactly, well put

[lenn1]

Grats, now you won't be added to a party for ANYTHING but healing as a CON.
Seeing as you have THM close to 50 too though, I bet you don't mind.

I don't remember the last time i got invited to a party to nuke. This has always been like this so its nothing new and shocking like you're making it. Even if we could do a lot of dps we would still be a healer in parties.

With the new changes we can actually have a dedicated nuke class that people would actually want in parties to do just that.

Edit: You're forgetting that your character can switch roles at any time and any work you have on your conj now is not wasted.

[Platinumstorm]

The lists are concerning to me.

It's just not what I expected.

It's almost like a pure black mage doesn't even exist anymore, and many of the classes I play have lost their identity in favor of being more directed to compliment the jobs. A skill selection of 15 skills is very small, but that's sort of a starting point, I guess.