[dev1206] Class Reforms & Action Lists

[Zetsumei_Tsunarashi]

I am with you. So far, the only fighting class I really enjoyed was Pugilist. At first glance, I am very unhappy that PGL is now going to rely on a lot of mp based moves. I didn't level PGL to be a magic user class, but a pure fighting class. It was, for me, a huge disappointment to read these mp based changes.

Restoring MP using the evasion based action is ok solo, but will likely be highly problematic during any party content. There needs to be at least one more option that does not rely on a mob trying to hit me during a party situation.

These are all actions a pug can use to get mp back.

PUG Abl. 4 - Increases evasion and restores MP when an attack is evaded. Effect fades upon evading an attack or after a certain period of time elapses.

PGL WS 8 - Melee attack. Chance to absorb MP when executed from the right or left of the target.Combo: PGL WS 5, Bonus: Chance to increase Absorb MP effect.

CON Abl. 2 - Temporarily halves enmity and gradually restores MP.

THM Mag. 2 - Restores MP in proportion to damage sustained. Casts cannot be interrupted while effect is active.

[Deminia]

These are all actions a pug can use to get mp back.

PUG Abl. 4 - Increases evasion and restores MP when an attack is evaded. Effect fades upon evading an attack or after a certain period of time elapses.

PGL WS 8 - Melee attack. Chance to absorb MP when executed from the right or left of the target.Combo: PGL WS 5, Bonus: Chance to increase Absorb MP effect.

CON Abl. 2 - Temporarily halves enmity and gradually restores MP.

THM Mag. 2 - Restores MP in proportion to damage sustained. Casts cannot be interrupted while effect is active.

The level 4 ability is fine for solo, when the mob is going to be hitting the PGL the entire time.

The WS 8 is only a "chance" to restore MP only if that that WS is used. I don't like my only in-party option to be based on a "chance" when I use that particular WS. It pretty much restricts me to using that one WS, since so many PGL abilities seem to rely on MP now. Or I can hope that every single party I am in has a BRD.

The THM ability is based on DMG sustained - this is the same problem as the evasion based MP restore. In a party, I am not supposed to be taking damage, I am supposed to be dealing it.

The CON ability might be useful, although I really don't like having to sacrifice more useful DDing actions in order to require equipping restore MP actions.

PGL had been an entirely melee based class - suddenly it is a magic user. For me anyway, that is my biggest issue - I don't understand why this class is now going to be a magic based. I suppose it is no less frustrating for the CON who hoped for BLM and the ARC who are scratching their heads at BRD.

If I continue to play, I will most likely switch classes - MRD seems to be the closest to what I had originally wanted (a tough fighter with strong non magic based DDing skills that can also tank).

[Felis]

I see that but that's the problem if pgl is not gonna be tanking how do we get mp back?

Then the PGL use the other skill

WS 8: Melee attack. Chance to absorb MP when executed from the right or left of the target.Combo: PGL WS 5, Bonus: Chance to increase Absorb MP effect.

[Betelgeuzah]

Debuffs were scattered around different classes.

Hopefully it gives each Job something they can bring to the table. Mere damage alone will not cut it.

[Claire_Pendragon]

The moment i saw PGL going through so much MP, I knew BRD was gonna be another refresher, that we all HAD to have, in order to make an exp PT.... here we go again...
Now we need a tank a healer AND a refresher, just to make a PT.
/sigh

[Elexia]

The moment i saw PGL going through so much MP, I knew BRD was gonna be another refresher, that we all HAD to have, in order to make an exp PT.... here we go again...
Now we need a tank a healer AND a refresher, just to make a PT.
/sigh

Ok? What's the problem? Every MMO that's social based utilizes a tank, support and healer role for party and raid make ups. It's nothing new.

[Bahn]

Ok? What's the problem? Every MMO that's social based utilizes a tank, support and healer role for party and raid make ups. It's nothing new.

Because the "holy trinity" is an old trope that needs to be done away with if MMOs are going to evolve in this day and age?

That is why I hope Guild Wars 2 breaks this trend, as I find the holy trinity in MMOs to be an annoying and outdated concept.

[Felis]

Because the "holy trinity" is an old trope that needs to be done away with if MMOs are going to evolve in this day and age?

That is why I hope Guild Wars 2 breaks this trend, as I find the holy trinity in MMOs to be an annoying and outdated concept.

You would always have someone who tank, someone who heal, someone who make the dmg and someone who make the rest.
Say you have a priest which can heal & tank, you still have a healer and a tanker, although in one person.

[Ryans]

The moment i saw PGL going through so much MP, I knew BRD was gonna be another refresher, that we all HAD to have, in order to make an exp PT.... here we go again...
Now we need a tank a healer AND a refresher, just to make a PT.
/sigh

If exp parties are going to be anything like they are now, BRD is most definitely not going to be required no matter what other jobs you have in the group. Raids and Dungeons might be a different matter, however. I could see a BRD being required (by the community, but not by design) for some of the longer boss fights if they are ever implemented.

[Firon]

Makes your next attack a crit when executed from behind the target. Traits may trigger INT bonus.

Wow just noticed that part after an reread, now i know why PGL INT is so high lol -.-