[dev1206] Class Reforms & Action Lists

[Betelgeuzah]

It's not surprising that people would think that Jobs are a direct upgrade of the Class because the patch teaser tells nothing about the restrictions imposed on Jobs. We don't even know if the Job makes use of all the actions of it's class or if they get to use some actions from the second class they derive from.

[Spellbinder]

It's not surprising that people would think that Jobs are a direct upgrade of the Class because the patch teaser tells nothing about the restrictions imposed on Jobs. We don't even know if the Job makes use of all the actions of it's class or if they get to use some actions from the second class they derive from.

That's pretty much the point I'm driving at. My fear is that the community is going to simply assume Jobs are a direct upgrade and give classes the boot regardless of what the content is.

[Betelgeuzah]

That's pretty much the point I'm driving at. My fear is that the community is going to simply assume Jobs are a direct upgrade and give classes the boot regardless of what the content is.

Well that wouldn't make much sense now would it? I mean, if PLD sucks at dealing damage, and you are in a group with a WHM, why not switch to GLA and CNJ instead of having a healer and a tank that can't get anything done by themselves?

Even if you looked for a DPS job, for the content in question pure healer or tank might be overkill. People tend to aim for efficiency, and in this case classes would get things done more efficiently.

Further, people like to be DPS. Rare are those who would rather solely heal, tank or buff all the time.

[Spellbinder]

Well that wouldn't make much sense now would it? I mean, if PLD sucks at dealing damage, and you are in a group with a WHM, why not switch to GLA and CNJ instead of having a healer and a tank that can't get anything done by themselves?

Does it make sense? No, but the community is a very fickled beast.

I can already see it now.

WHM & PLD

PLD: Uh... this is kinda tough, why don't I just switch to Gladiator or something?
WHM: Don't be silly, lets just go look for a Warrior, you stay and tank.
PLD: ...

[Betelgeuzah]

I provided further explanation above.

[Spellbinder]

I provided further explanation above.

I'll keep my fingers crossed you're right.

[normalforce]

I provided further explanation above.

I have the forums configured to always show the latest post first, so when you say further explanation is above, I find myself patiently waiting for something to magically appear at the top. It takes my brain a few seconds to register that I'm doing things backwards...

[Betelgeuzah]

Apologies.

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[normalforce]

Apologies.

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You, sir, owe me a new keyboard.

[OMEGA_HACK]

PLease don't forget that Classes > Jobs at the same time Jobs > Classes.

Its all circumstantial if its just me and two friends in a party doing leves or something along those lines then I am going to probably suggest we all be classes since we will have the most freedom to equip ANY NON-EXCLUSIVE ability/spell/weapon skill that could potentially make us stronger and able to do said content.

Vs

If I am in a full party I will probably suggest we all be our Jobs since they are more specialized and we have the man power needed to not have to spread out our abilities.

Because don't forget a Dragoon (job) will probably not be able to equip any of the healing spells/abilities, while the Lancer (class) will be able to. (See now, where the class is better than the job?) On the other hand Dragoon (job) gets access to special abilities that no other job can use, so in a big party setup wherein you won't need those healing spells because you have people covering it already, you can afford to be a job instead of class to dish out even more damage.

They both have very equal pros and cons. And if you think that people are going to demand jobs for bigger events/battles, then you are probably correct, but does that mean it will be 100% required. No, just make your own party, but I can see large group events being job driven while small group events being class driven.