[dev1206] Class Reforms & Action Lists

[Kiote]

I seriously cant believe people are Defending these Spell Changes..

Yoshida blatantly lied to us by saying the way we play a class will not change.

Worse yet he has done more damage to this games lore than he will ever be able to fix.

On top of that he has completely back tracked on his promise to make this game More Final Fantasy like by distorting all of the "Jobs" he was bringing in supposedly for that purpose.

These Ability changes are awful.

His unnecessary need to restrict the number of abilities a player gains to the number they can equip has sevearly undermined the Capabilities of Almost every class.

There is no Excuse for Gladiator to be Fully Defensive, Paladin is the Tank

There is No reason for Puglist to have elemental skills, they will only gimp it's DMG output against 75% of the enemies.

There is no reason for LNC to become a Glass Cannon

There is no Excuse for completely disregarding Con lore and ripping out all of there offensive capabilities.

MOST IMPORTANTLY

There is Absolutly No Viable Reason to Restrict a MAGE to 15 Skills(Not even 15 spells) when there are Over 100 spells in the history of Final Fantasy. This is Unacceptable. Every Mage should have atleast 30 Spells. They should NOT be able to have them all ready at all times. They SHOULD have a diverse aray of skill that to not directly conflict with the Lore behind their Class.

[Starlord]

I seriously cant believe people are Defending these Spell Changes..

Yoshida blatantly lied to us by saying the way we play a class will not change.

Worse yet he has done more damage to this games lore than he will ever be able to fix.

On top of that he has completely back tracked on his promise to make this game More Final Fantasy like by distorting all of the "Jobs" he was bringing in supposedly for that purpose.

These Ability changes are awful.

His unnecessary need to restrict the number of abilities a player gains to the number they can equip has sevearly undermined the Capabilities of Almost every class.

There is no Excuse for Gladiator to be Fully Defensive, Paladin is the Tank

There is No reason for Puglist to have elemental skills, they will only gimp it's DMG output against 75% of the enemies.

There is no reason for LNC to become a Glass Cannon

There is no Excuse for completely disregarding Con lore and ripping out all of there offensive capabilities.

MOST IMPORTANTLY

There is Absolutly No Viable Reason to Restrict a MAGE to 15 Skills(Not even 15 spells) when there are Over 100 spells in the history of Final Fantasy. This is Unacceptable. Every Mage should have atleast 30 Spells. They should NOT be able to have them all ready at all times. They SHOULD have a diverse aray of skill that to not directly conflict with the Lore behind their Class.

Jumping to conclusions, off that bat before the patch is even out yet. Makes anyones speculation/opinion/ assumed fact Invalid to you actually play the patch, That includes my Opinions and such as well. This happens every patch that gets annouced before coming out.. then when its out.. people are "okay" with it and move on... this is no different.

[Kiote]

Jumping to conclusions, off that bat before the patch is even out yet. Makes anyones speculation/opinion/ assumed fact Invalid to you actually play the patch, That includes my Opinions and such as well. This happens every patch that gets annouced before coming out.. then when its out.. people are "okay" with it and move on... this is no different.

People like you fail to understand that there is no going back..

If these changes are awful when they are implemented, we are stuck with them. Yoshida doesn't have the benefits of trying something and then changing it if it doesn't work. They spent all that Credit on the release. He is literally on a forced march forward and can never look back.

If something looks awful to you, you need to speak up now. Once it's in the game, it's there to stay. They can adjust potency and difficult. Simple adjustment can be made in the future. A system overhaul like this is a one shot deal.

If it looks bad, speak up. You will not get a second chance.

[Starlord]

People like you fail to understand that there is no going back..

If these changes are awful when they are implemented, we are stuck with them. Yoshida doesn't have the benefits of trying something and then changing it if it doesn't work. They spent all that Credit on the release. He is literally on a forced march forward and can never look back.

If something looks awful to you, you need to speak up now. Once it's in the game, it's there to stay. They can adjust potency and difficult. Simple adjustment can be made in the future. A system overhaul like this is a one shot deal.

If it looks bad, speak up. You will not get a second chance.

People like you fail to understand that there is no going back..

Right back at ya, but have fun crying like a baby

[darkstarpoet1]

People like you fail to understand that there is no going back..

If these changes are awful when they are implemented, we are stuck with them. Yoshida doesn't have the benefits of trying something and then changing it if it doesn't work. They spent all that Credit on the release. He is literally on a forced march forward and can never look back.

If something looks awful to you, you need to speak up now. Once it's in the game, it's there to stay. They can adjust potency and difficult. Simple adjustment can be made in the future. A system overhaul like this is a one shot deal.

If it looks bad, speak up. You will not get a second chance.

you already know this is the way it is on these forums. if you see something before it comes out you worry about and bring it up you are crying without trying it. if you complain after they are put in you are told to shut up and go play wow. this group doesn't care about anyone else that plays the game now nor would want to play it in the future. the sheep will go to their own slaughter.

i can agree we shouldn't jump to conclusions over these postings until they are put in game, but the fact is both sides are already doing the same thing. one group sees the changes and can think of the bad things possible and the other only thinks of the positives. neither side cares to see the other side of the argument.

tanaka was right when he said the forums were a horrible idea and would never work.

[Hyrist]

you already know this is the way it is on these forums. if you see something before it comes out you worry about and bring it up you are crying without trying it. if you complain after they are put in you are told to shut up and go play wow. this group doesn't care about anyone else that plays the game now nor would want to play it in the future. the sheep will go to their own slaughter.

i can agree we shouldn't jump to conclusions over these postings until they are put in game, but the fact is both sides are already doing the same thing. one group sees the changes and can think of the bad things possible and the other only thinks of the positives. neither side cares to see the other side of the argument.

tanaka was right when he said the forums were a horrible idea and would never work.

That's a bit of the pot calling the kettle black, isn't it?

You claim that the problem with the forums is that everyone takes a black/white position, but to claim as such, you'd have to be seeing only the black and white positions yourself.

The issue here isn't 'looking at the positives' vs 'looking at the negatives' personal opinions on speculation are just that.

The issue here is that people are jumping to conclusions without the patch being out. That's the divide. One side is saying "Wait and see." While the other is saying "OMG I'M GONNA RAGE QUIT NAOZ!"

Even if the patch on paper involves tropes you might disagree with, the gameplay itself may be enjoyable enough to keep you on. As billing won't commence til sometime after the post is out, give it a shot first to confirm your opinion. There's no harm in that. For as much time and so called loyalty you've invested into the game at this point, that alone should encourage you to give it a chance.

[TinnySnips]

you already know this is the way it is on these forums. if you see something before it comes out you worry about and bring it up you are crying without trying it. if you complain after they are put in you are told to shut up and go play wow. this group doesn't care about anyone else that plays the game now nor would want to play it in the future. the sheep will go to their own slaughter.

i can agree we shouldn't jump to conclusions over these postings until they are put in game, but the fact is both sides are already doing the same thing. one group sees the changes and can think of the bad things possible and the other only thinks of the positives. neither side cares to see the other side of the argument.

tanaka was right when he said the forums were a horrible idea and would never work.

Tanaka was wrong. Disagreements happen, and from conflict comes resolution. Most people will argue their side solely, even if they do see the merits of the other viewpoint. This is how arguments work. Arguing is good.

Personally, I like the changes because combat is currently broken. Sure, it's much better than it was 6 months ago, but it's still broken. Combat changes have been good so far, so I'm going to continue my present optimistic attitude toward changes until I see a reason not to. I have a hard time with people who are upset about the solidification of roles, as there has been plenty of information regarding the roles the different classes will fill. There has been time to change course and modify your expectations.

As for soloing... it doesn't look broken to me. Every class, with the exception of Gladiator, appears to retain solo ability. I could be wrong here, but if you think there's a class that has lost solo ability based on these ability lists, please say which one, and I will gladly explain how I think you're mistaken. As for Gladiator... well, see the next paragraph.

We have been told there will be 15 abilities per class at level 50. Given the fact that other than the DoMs, each class has less than 10 abilities listed, it is safe to assume that these lists are not complete. I imagine that the remaining abilities will fill in some of the gaps that the current list leaves open. This intent of this list seems to be to clarify roles. I'm sure the unlisted abilities will address things such as Gladiator's solo ability and LNC's complete loss of utility. Of course, this is just speculation, other than the fact that these lists are not complete (that is clear).

EDIT: Belay my last paragraph. My count is thrown off because of the funky indentations on comboed WSs. After recounting, each list seems complete. My apologies. It does seem that soloing as Gladiator will be painfully slow. Here's hoping that something can be done about that.

[DNO]

Jumping to conclusions, off that bat before the patch is even out yet. Makes anyones speculation/opinion/ assumed fact Invalid to you actually play the patch, That includes my Opinions and such as well. This happens every patch that gets annouced before coming out.. then when its out.. people are "okay" with it and move on... this is no different.

hahahha so true. read my sig!!. i need to add this to my sig also.

[Starlord]

hahahha so true. read my sig!!. i need to add this to my sig also.

I feel honored . But its true.. Peoples head buttexplodes on every announcement... "WTF MAN ARE YOU F'IN KIDDING ME" Type attitudes is what I hear out of the handful of complainers :/. At least other Complainers had Reasons to complain about... this Nothing really changes, Just "actually defining the roles of the classes, while still be able ( to a degree) cross-class. This argument is so Idiotic its not funny :/.

[Chezen]

hahahha so true. read my sig!!. i need to add this to my sig also.

Only speaking for myself, but I'm still not happy about recipe changes, dark matter, and the new repair system, the things I expressed concerns over before. I am not "over it". There's just no point in carrying on over something that is already done. Just as Kiote is saying, now is the time to speak if you are sure you do not care for something being implimented.

I tend to agree with Kiote and Atoli in my reaction over this. Yoshi-P said they would not be fundamentally changed, and they are, no matter how you look at it. Mechanics, lore, role, it's all part of the same dice.

What I am not sure about is whether I will like this new style of play. I like conjurer exactly as it is, now. That I do know. I've also been plenty burned by massive class changes. That I know too.

If this was an announcement about a completely new class, I would be more interested. But as it is, I don't know if I like it or not. It's one of those things that you have to test... but I think my conclusion would be that I'd miss my conjurer the way she was. I'm just unsure about this.