[dev1206] Class Reforms & Action Lists

[Zarvlad]

Something I realized here:



Does this mean Archer's auto-attack is becoming a ranged auto-attack where they'll continuously fire arrows every few seconds? Unless we can move as we shoot I predict continual animation lock issues and really, nobody's going to want to party with an Archer for now on.

Conjurer: "I'm sleeping the mob! Hold on!"
Archer shoots it with an arrow and wakes it up.
Conjurer: "Dude WTF?! I said I was sleeping it!"
Archer: "It wasn't me! Auto-attack did it!"

IMO Ranged Attacks have to be the worst form of auto-attack to give unless it can be toggled outside of disengaging the enemy. Not only will we be wasting precious arrows repeatedly (Unless arrows are done away with and made unlimited, I so hope not!) but we'll break every sleep effect, every bind effect dealt to an enemy because we can't stop firing our bows.

If that happens that means someone wasn't assisting the Tank or hitting whichever target it was assigned. So don't blame the mechanic, blame the player for not doing it's job.

[Reaujien]

If that happens that means someone wasn't assisting the Tank or hitting whichever target it was assigned. So don't blame the mechanic, blame the player for not doing it's job.

Pretty much sums it up!

[Firon]

Few things to point out after rereading once more, Why does THM need 4 AoE fire spells 1 from BLM 3 from THM.

The DEF spell CNJ has they should include magic def with hat spell as well.

[Hyrist]

Or disengage? I didn't think pressing the active mode button was hard. Virtually every other archer in mmos have their form of auto attack as well. I don't see why this is an issue.

Looking at Lancer/Dragoon, I'm slightly disappointed at the loss of a lot of our direct AoE (which may change) As well as the loss of Lifesurge, but I like most the other changes as they are seen on paper. But let's see how it actually plays.

[Holy_Dragoon]

For those complaining about MP pools and "needing" a refresher:

CON Abl. 2 Temporarily halves enmity and gradually restores MP.

This is a cross-class skill.

Mage elementals are slightly concerning. We'll have to see how it plays out. Maybe they are re-designing the elemental pairings. THM missing the "6 Elements" is a concern too. Perhaps a trait could be: Ice <--> Water.

I will miss Speed Surge as a LNC. Gaining Dark Knight type skills is rather interesting.

[Hyrist]

I will miss Speed Surge as a LNC. Gaining Dark Knight type skills is rather interesting.

I'm kinda glad it's gone. Haste is toxic for gameplay as it dominates all other stats mathematically. If they do wind up using it, I hope it's sparse and non-conflicting.

Life surge looks pretty intact to me.

Lifesurge functioned on Weapon Skills.

[Firon]

I thought lnc still has an skill that grants hp to draining to atks but it just consumes tp now

[JGwinters]

Hmm. LNC for me has always been about control. Control of the enemy's position and yours, control of the enemy's TP and yours, control of your attack speed, crowd control, etc. Some TP control might be left, but only for yourself not the enemy. Control of position is not there. Crowd control...well, two aoe ws, need I say more? No way to reduce enemy movement or speed, or change yours for that matter. In exchange for removing all that we get...high damage. Whoopee.
In effect: LNC went from support/DD to high dmg DD.

Naturally, specifics aren't known yet but it looks like LNC has been severely nerfed from what its concept used to be. :/

[Firon]

Hmm. LNC for me has always been about control. Control of the enemy's position and yours, control of the enemy's TP and yours, control of your attack speed, crowd control, etc. Some TP control might be left, but only for yourself not the enemy. Control of position is not there. Crowd control...well, two aoe ws, need I say more? No way to reduce enemy movement or speed, or change yours for that matter. In exchange for removing all that we get...high damage. Whoopee.
In effect: LNC went from support/DD to high dmg DD.

Naturally, specifics aren't known yet but it looks like LNC has been severely nerfed from what its concept used to be. :/

I don't remember seeing an lancer being an CC type of class or an good AOE class. maybe they can't spam twisting vice anymore but they look good still.

[Sephrick]

Hmm. LNC for me has always been about control. Control of the enemy's position and yours, control of the enemy's TP and yours, control of your attack speed, crowd control, etc. Some TP control might be left, but only for yourself not the enemy. Control of position is not there. Crowd control...well, two aoe ws, need I say more? No way to reduce enemy movement or speed, or change yours for that matter. In exchange for removing all that we get...high damage. Whoopee.
In effect: LNC went from support/DD to high dmg DD.

Naturally, specifics aren't known yet but it looks like LNC has been severely nerfed from what its concept used to be. :/

Haven't been in the Ifrit fight yet, have you?

If that battle is indicative of future content then most of LNC's current skills would have been useless anyway as we're not fight mobs that stand in a line and wait for a lancer to wipe their TP. Blindside + Doomspike II is the life of a LNC atm.

It's hard to call that list a nerf when they are the new glass cannon. I call it balance.