Queueing for: Alexander - The Creator (Savage) SEEMS BROKEN!

[Aetherius]

So I have really been enjoying the Alexander - of the Creator instances and since their arrival, I have been eagerly anticipating the much more difficult Savage modes.

Upon finally unlocking the first Raid of the bunch "Eye of the creator - Savage" I was hyped! I took my gear lv up past 250, Watched one of the guides on youtube extensively, and even splashed out the Gil for some food and potions just for that extra edge. What could possibly go wrong?

I hit the raid finder and then I see there are various options to choose from. Naturally I havn't done this before I'll run practice mode! Over an hour later . . . not a hint of a single person in sight.

Well I'm fairly confident that I have the mechanics all memorised, so lets just jump straight into the fight. Again . . . waiting around for over an hour or so, but at least there's a sight of some people. Where's everyone else at I ask? I thought there'd be a lot more than this. At over two hours later and still seeming as though the queue is going nowhere, I eventually call it a night . . . extremely frustraited with the feeling I've been wasting my time.

The next day I try again, and between 1-2 hours I finally have some luck! To put this fight experience in a nut shell though, it all goes wrong and after being "refurbished" for the 3rd time, everybody rage quits. Back to the drawing board . . .

So anyway, a whole week later of queuing every night and having only ever gotten in twice just to have the latter happen, I'm running out of things to do in my waiting times and my frustraition grows, yet my patience is running thinner. The closest thing I can equate my experience with this new content to is "the long line simulator" ride from an early episode of south park.

My verdict? The Queue system for these Alexander - the creator (Savage) raids are broken, and here's why:

Why seperate those who have finished the raid from those who havn't with the options "Completed" and "Not completed" in the raid settings? That's seperating everybody into a really small group of unexperienced players with lower tier and a larger group of experienced players with higher tier. Smaller and larger because the first don't get the choice, they can only select "not completed" where as the latter group would much rather group with a larger player base for faster qeue times, more experienced players, and higher everage gear level so they can have it much easier. It's pretty much a no brainer.

Naturally because of this, people in my position after exausting all options will just give up on progression and the people to raid Alexander - the creator (Savage) as a whole will stay small due to this whopping great big brick wall stopping people from getting in, and thus everyone will have longer queue times.

I'm assuming I'm not the only one struggling in this prediciment and to all of you out there who are happilly and successfully getting in and running these raids, could you spare some of your wisdom please. It'd be greatly appriciated.

Thankyou for taking the time to read and contemplate!

[Moomba33]

You can get around the character limit by editing your original post.

Before Raid Finder the current ex primal and savage raids could only be entered with a pre-made group. I imagine the different options are to help players find others at their level of progression as it would be frustrating for experts to be queued with complete newbies for the most difficult fights in the game.

Unfortunately the queues for the learning stages will become more and more dead the further into the patch we get. The older Ex primals are almost impossible to get into in my experience.
Hopefully in a future patch when they are no longer current they will be moved to DF.

[Aetherius]

You can get around the character limit by editing your original post.

Before Raid Finder the current ex primal and savage raids could only be entered with a pre-made group. I imagine the different options are to help players find others at their level of progression as it would be frustrating for experts to be queued with complete newbies for the most difficult fights in the game.

Unfortunately the queues for the learning stages will become more and more dead the further into the patch we get. The older Ex primals are almost impossible to get into in my experience.
Hopefully in a future patch when they are no longer current they will be moved to DF.

Thankyou! That's so much cleaner now.

[KarstenS]

I've not tried the raid finder yet. But I think you could have more luck after the weekly reset. Currently we have the last day before the weekly reset and people are more focussing on "last minute tome capping" and wonderous tails "because after spending 30 chance points into shuffle I still have not a single line".

[Aetherius]

I've not tried the raid finder yet. But I think you could have more luck after the weekly reset. Currently we have the last day before the weekly reset and people are more focussing on "last minute tome capping" and wonderous tails "because after spending 30 chance points into shuffle I still have not a single line".

Yes, I can really understand your logic, but with these newer Alexander Savage instances and the way that the raid finder is designed to work with them means that everyone who is farming those tomes that you speak of will be doing so in a completetely different group of people from those who havn't even beat the first raid, Eye of the Creator - Savage, yet. I can only queue for this raid because I have not beaten it yet, and I can only queue with other people who have not beaten it yet. This is all because there are two options in the raid finder. "Completed" which states that you've beaten it before, but this isn't available to you until you beat it. This will put you in the group of all the tome farmers. Then there's the other option "Not Completed" which will put you in the group that hasn't beat it. Nobody in this group is farming tomes. They just want to get it down so that they can unlock Alexander - Breath of Creator (Savage) and queue in future with all the people that tome farm regulary instead of the small frustrating group.


In laymans terms, it goes like this:

Problem: People queueing for this raid are seperated into 2 groups.

group1
smaller than group2, slower queue times, unexperienced, lower gear lv. much more likely to fail, doesn't have a choice but would rather be with group2.

group2
larger than group1, faster queue times, experienced, higher gear lv, much more likely to succeed, have a choice and would rather stay in this group.

As you can tell, group1 has it in many ways harder than group2, but until you beat it for the first time you are stuck in group1. The options that creates this bottleneck are stopping a LOT of people from progressing on the game and enjoying this new content. Ontop of that it impacts the amount of people who run Alexander Savage modes as a whole. Even I have my limits and at some stage will also give up trying to get in because hours a night of waiting around for nothing is no fun.