PLEASE have some sort of balance in PotD? Introduce some sort of checkpoint system.

[SilkaN]

There are issues that players can't control that can completely ruin a run, aside from ISP issues, both pc and ps4 players can have a system crash, windows update could cause issues for pc players, psn could go down for the 88th billion time, and even power outages, are all issues I've heard and read people dealing with inside 101+

Back when I was a kid and the batteries on my Game Boy ran out without me saving the game, I didn't cry. I started over again. (And yeah, it happened at pretty random times too because as a kid I didn't worry about battery life, I just wanted to play!)
I wish today's players could go back to just sucking it up instead of complaining about everything.

[Zojha]

I wish today's players could go back to just sucking it up instead of complaining about everything.

Meanwhile, I am glad that people grew up enough to realize that things can be changed for the better and are motivated to do so, even if they typically limit their actions to complaining about it.

[Jetstream_Fox]

Back when I was a kid and the batteries on my Game Boy ran out without me saving the game, I didn't cry. I started over again. (And yeah, it happened at pretty random times too because as a kid I didn't worry about battery life, I just wanted to play!)
I wish today's players could go back to just sucking it up instead of complaining about everything.

You could prevent the batteries dying on a Gameboy so the fault is entirely on you in that situation, you can't prevent a game from freezing, your house dropping off the power grid, a system error from randomly popping up, or even glitches from happening that can cause death.

Yup, because SE is entirely responsible about how ISPs operate.

Look, the OP was commenting about WIPING, not dc'ing, wiping. So they full and well took that blow and didn't know that it would reset them back to a brand new saving at F51. I know the OP, and I know they check reddit where there are billions upon billion posts about how wiping at 101+ would require a new saving at 51. Let alone the fact that it was mentioned on the patch notes...
So yeah, working as intended.

Yes, it works IF you wipe TO NORMAL circumstances, there is a flaw with how they designed it that puts players at fault for situations that aren't normal. Resetting progress due to outside interference that forces a player out of the game is bad game design, that's like your boss firing you because you called in due to the fact your car got hit by Thor falling out of the sky and slamming Mjolnir right through your windshield breaking your neck.

[ErryK]

Yes, it works IF you wipe TO NORMAL circumstances, there is a flaw with how they designed it that puts players at fault for situations that aren't normal. Resetting progress due to outside interference that forces a player out of the game is bad game design, that's like your boss firing you because you called in due to the fact your car got hit by Thor falling out of the sky and slamming Mjolnir right through your windshield breaking your neck.

The game works on an automated system, if you get fired because of that, that's because of your boss, who isn't an automated system as far as I know.

[Jetstream_Fox]

The game works on an automated system, if you get fired because of that, that's because of your boss, who isn't an automated system as far as I know.

But that's the thing it being automated, the system can't determine between fault and incidental issues. SE can have a entire Datacenter drop off the planet and whoever is unfortunate enough to have that happen is out of luck. I don't agree with that and many others don't as well, but wiping because your party over pulled, rushed, set off traps, didn't have any healing or tank factor. Is entirely 110% player fault. Automation isn't always a good idea, I'm all for the the KO limit, but SE should have understood that even technical issues on their end could prevent players from proceeding, SE is literally saying they have no liability if their own game fails on players and screws them out of progress.

[Isala]

But that's the thing it being automated, the system can't determine between fault and incidental issues. SE can have a entire Datacenter drop off the planet and whoever is unfortunate enough to have that happen is out of luck. I don't agree with that and many others don't as well, but wiping because your party over pulled, rushed, set off traps, didn't have any healing or tank factor. Is entirely 110% player fault. Automation isn't always a good idea, I'm all for the the KO limit, but SE should have understood that even technical issues on their end could prevent players from proceeding, SE is literally saying they have no liability if their own game fails on players and screws them out of progress.

There's a reason for that. If they didn't put in that limitation, you know people would "accidentally" DC whenever there was the possibility of a wipe, so they didn't get a penalty. Sure, it screws players who have something legit happen, but that's a small price to pay for being able to stop cheaters. I mean, look at the abuse rampant in every other thing in this game. Win Traders, speed hackers, etc. I mean, we had a BLM who used a third party tool to cast spells faster than the GCD. So if some poor shmuck gets the boot and loses their progress, while yeah, that sucks for them, or even me, if it happens to me, at least some unskilled scrub cheaters can't abuse it to make it further in.

[Jetstream_Fox]

There's a reason for that. If they didn't put in that limitation, you know people would "accidentally" DC whenever there was the possibility of a wipe, so they didn't get a penalty. Sure, it screws players who have something legit happen, but that's a small price to pay for being able to stop cheaters. I mean, look at the abuse rampant in every other thing in this game. Win Traders, speed hackers, etc. I mean, we had a BLM who used a third party tool to cast spells faster than the GCD. So if some poor shmuck gets the boot and loses their progress, while yeah, that sucks for them, or even me, if it happens to me, at least some unskilled scrub cheaters can't abuse it to make it further in.

I understand the logic behind cheating the system, but that doesn't mean they couldn't have worked out a contingency plan. They could have easily developed a timer that resets every day or once a week, that gives players 1 free pass for dc issues, that upon use sets players back 5 floors, removes pomanders, and upgrades obtained. This is a small courtesy that gives SE the appearance that they understand many outside issues can obstruct this particular content, but they're not going to let you go right back to where you were with what you had.

Regardless of what content people play there is always a way to game the system in some capacity, that's just really the nature of games, even games such as Bloodborne and Dark Souls have ways to cheat around rules, yet those developers don't run and patch it unless it's truly game breaking, for example, in Bloodborne leaving your game on in the starting area for an entire day used to result in enemy AI becoming watered down, this was patched for obvious reasons. While that is Bloodborne and this is XIV, two very different games, cheating is still going to be a thing. Think of force dcing like it's a rolling stop, ya it's not technically legal, and you'll likely get off with a warning for it, but the second time you do it, you'll be paying a fee. SE has all the game data, they can easily look back and determine who is doing it maliciously, the only catch is, they don't do this.

[ErryK]

I'm all for the the KO limit, but SE should have understood that even technical issues on their end could prevent players from proceeding, SE is literally saying they have no liability if their own game fails on players and screws them out of progress.

If the server fails, the server fails. There isn't anything you can do about that. But if an entire datacenter host is cut off from the players because of an ISP issue, SE is not at fault here and that is unfortunately how the system works. It's like saying you used up all your potions then saying "Darn, why did the game make me use all my potions!? I needed them now! I want a refund SE!", you knew the potential consequences of getting a party KO, there isn't anything SE can do about it without screwing it up for those who didn't do anything wrong.

[Jetstream_Fox]

If the server fails, the server fails. There isn't anything you can do about that. But if an entire datacenter host is cut off from the players because of an ISP issue, SE is not at fault here and that is unfortunately how the system works. It's like saying you used up all your potions then saying "Darn, why did the game make me use all my potions!? I needed them now! I want a refund SE!", you knew the potential consequences of getting a party KO, there isn't anything SE can do about it without screwing it up for those who didn't do anything wrong.

I didn't say SE could do something about our individual ISP issues, just that as a developer they should have been conscious to those issues when putting together floors 101+ But again your example using potions isn't relatable to this, as you have control over your potion usage, you chose when to use them, getting a dc error shouldn't result in failure. There are too many variables that can pop up and cause issues within PotD, dcing is just one of the more common, let's not forget the picture back a few pages that showed 3/4 of the party dead but the game decided that it was a wipe and ended the instance right then and there despite one player still being alive. Having progress reset because of a ingame bugs, is something that should also be considered even with how rare they are.